Different needles for recording?

So I started scratching in the 90's and been a huge fan of the shure m447's, everytime I need a new pair I go straight for those. However the shure have a high bass output, and lately I have been thinking about getting some more accurate sounding needles for when I record my vinyl. Does anyone have any recomendations? Thanks

audio technica and shure make some really great audio file needles the thing is with a dj needle there thick and produce high and sound bassy

with a audio file needle there more thin and have more accurate sound
check www.needledoctor.com if you buy from them tell them Eddie from needle to the groove sent you .
just check out there site and see what type of audio file needles they have,

they have some more expenisive then this
http://www.needledoctor.com/Brand-Stores/Lyra_3

Thanks man, good lookin on the site

One thing I would be like people to be aware of when it comes to using audiophile needles is that unless your record is in mint condition with no static, hiss, crackle, pops, etc. its a waste to go for those needles.

They tend to really bring the pops, crackle and hiss to the forefront as well as all the frequencies and sounds you want in your music. So essentially, even though your sound will be more balanced, it will be less pleasing to the ear.

With the thinner needles you also get more feedback going through them so make sure you have your volume low and/or your speakers far away from the turntable.

Also, they tend to skip more, and you cannot add extra weight, etc. to reduce skipping because the needles are so thin. Your cartridge will end up right flat on your vinyl.

Also beware of audiophile needles that are advertised as having a high skip resistance, etc. It's complete BS.

Audiophile needles are ONLY good for mint and/or brand new vinyl. Even at that you will still hear a lot more "impurities" in the record than you would on an m44. Save yourself some money and stick with the m44s.

I tried using audiophile needles BEFORE trying the M44's, and I'm much more impressed all around with the m44s. Whatever you are missing out on frequency wise with the audiophiles is not worth the positives of the m44's.

i think its a matter of choice, i have never come across those problems and you just need to weigh it as directed for each.

plus i happen to like the "impurities" that ome out in the record thats why i still listen to vinyl just for that reason, you dont hear that when listening to cd's.

plus if you use a linear turntable you get a really nice sound and most of the linears come with audio technica. thats what i have and it works great.
excexpt for a really beat up record but then i dont play then on my audiofile turntable or set up. it's just for pure listening pleasure not for sampling .

but most people like my self like to sample the static the "impurities" that come out in the record as well.

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out of curiosity, what audiophile carts have you had experience with?

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kinda depends on what you want to do with the recordings afterwards:
if you just want to make archival copies that accurately represent the original pressings, then i would go with some audiophile carts. i picked up a shure m97xe pretty cheap on amazon a while back...watch out, the realm of "hi-fi"/audiophile equipment can cost a pretty penny.

if you are creating copies of the records to play out (ie. dj with), then you must keep in mind that when you play out a record with a dj cart, the sound is colored, like you said with the m44's adding bass and having a higher output. if you're used to that sound being played out live, then i would suggest recording with those carts as well, rather than having to eq the sound later.

some other things to think about are the phono preamp, recording device, the cables and your turntable--all of which can introduce noise/color to your recordings.

pretty sure this stuff has been covered on these forums before, so a search maybe helpful.

DJ Ede, could you explain to me what a linear turntable is, or if not provide a link to some reading? Thanks.

Ohm wrote:DJ Ede, could you explain to me what a linear turntable is, or if not provide a link to some reading? Thanks.

http://www.cedmagic.com/museum/dimensia/mtt130.html

i remebr when these came out in the 80's i was very skeptical about them but i just played with one that we have in our shop for sale and WOW these things are really nie and sound great too. there are many different brands that make these or made these nack then,

just put it this way it's like a big cd player but instead you use vinyl as the disc

Good looks man.