Forum to discuss all matters relating to the MPC1000 and MPC2500 operating systems created by 'JJ' (all versions).

By DrunkenMonkey Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:25 pm
That's funny, I searched for "MPC 1000 MTC Sync" and the only topic that came up was this one.


I'm not trying to start an argument here, I just need some help.
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By Dabblerobb Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:18 am
i'm pretty sure mtc is only on the new os 1.0
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By Lampdog Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:18 am
DrunkenMonkey wrote:Lampdog I plan on ridding myself of this useless piece of **** as soon as I track everything I need off of it.


LOL


DrunkenMonkey wrote:The fact that I can spend a few hours on a beat, save it, then try and load it at a later date and there's nothing there, makes it frustrating and almost a gamble to use.


That would piss me off to the highest as well, I understand that frustration right there.

DrunkenMonkey wrote:Wasn't MTC implemented like a week ago? How has this been beaten to death?.


I was thinking 2500 for a moment, my bad.

By ucacjbs Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:45 am
Drunken,

2 Things:

1) Did you try adding a blank measure at the start of your tracks? This was a suggestion in the new OS v1.0 manual that 'stan steez' made a very nice job of putting together. The reason is that sometimes there is a sync period required for two MTC driven devices to get into lockstep.

2) You might try raising this issue (under a different title, so people understand what's going on) in the new OS forum; maybe the people who have figured this out are reading there.

By aempee Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:38 pm
lining up recorded tracks isnt that hard it quite accurate. just put some sample in the beginning of every track and for example one empty bar.
thats my advice for you.

By ascdi Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:51 pm
just clock your audio interface to SPDIF from the 1k. that will lock the timebase together, so once you trim the empty space up to the first hit, there will be no drift. and then you don't have to worry about MIDI anything wobbling around.

ps. triggering virtual or real samplers from a DAW isn't sample-accurate either.
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By naugie Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:41 pm
ascdi wrote:just clock your audio interface to SPDIF from the 1k. that will lock the timebase together, so once you trim the empty space up to the first hit, there will be no drift. and then you don't have to worry about MIDI anything wobbling around.

ps. triggering virtual or real samplers from a DAW isn't sample-accurate either.


not true it can be very accurate u just have to know ur interface on ur comp. me i own an audigy mp3+ its old as jesus but it still alright. the driver that comes with my sound card is **** awesome but doesnt allow me to record in. and creative asio is kick ass and this allows me to record in to my comp my only problem is it render shit out at high samplerates and doesnt support 44100 so i use asio4all witch does support 44100. it is great and at times shitty. but by moving any optiopn in asio for all before recording will get it back in sync to perfection. i mean l.iterally any movement of any knob in the asio4all ternminal window will get it back on sync.

to the topic starter
u wanna learn how to track ur beats its easy. read ur help file that came with ur software itll tell u how. i know i know reading sucks and its lame but check it u can make it fun agin by reading it on a computer monitor. its exciting. good luck dawg
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By Lampdog Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:06 pm
ucacjbs wrote:2) You might try raising this issue (under a different title, so people understand what's going on) in the new OS forum; maybe the people who have figured this out are reading there.


Don't do that, that's double posting and i'll delete it.

By ucacjbs Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:29 pm
Lampdog wrote:
ucacjbs wrote:2) You might try raising this issue (under a different title, so people understand what's going on) in the new OS forum; maybe the people who have figured this out are reading there.


Don't do that, that's double posting and i'll delete it.


Fair enough Lamp, so why not do the chap a favour and move this over there, then, since it's a third party OS issue?

By sparq Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:08 pm
ucacjbs wrote:
Lampdog wrote:
ucacjbs wrote:2) You might try raising this issue (under a different title, so people understand what's going on) in the new OS forum; maybe the people who have figured this out are reading there.


Don't do that, that's double posting and i'll delete it.


Fair enough Lamp, so why not do the chap a favour and move this over there, then, since it's a third party OS issue?
not a problem
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By gunmetal Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:39 pm
DrunkenMonkey wrote:Lampdog I plan on ridding myself of this useless piece of **** as soon as I track everything I need off of it. If I get rid of it now I have no way of tracking the beats on it.

Don't get me wrong, it's the most effective production tool I've ever used, and is fun to use.

The fact that I can spend a few hours on a beat, save it, then try and load it at a later date and there's nothing there, makes it frustrating and almost a gamble to use.
I'm sure my tracking problems will be cleared up at some point, but up until then it's not the best production solution for me.



elaborate on this maybe i can help

By ascdi Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:52 pm
not true it can be very accurate u just have to know ur interface on ur comp. me i own an audigy mp3+ its old as jesus but it still alright. the driver that comes with my sound card is **** awesome but doesnt allow me to record in. and creative asio is kick ass and this allows me to record in to my comp my only problem is it render **** out at high samplerates and doesnt support 44100 so i use asio4all witch does support 44100. it is great and at times ****. but by moving any optiopn in asio for all before recording will get it back in sync to perfection. i mean l.iterally any movement of any knob in the asio4all ternminal window will get it back on sync.


i don't think that's what the dude is talking about. he's talking about trying to track his beats from the MPC over to his computer. the problem is, if you sync the MPC to midi clock, the timing isn't tight. it's usually a little late (depending on your MIDI interface and audio interface), and it's usually a little shaky or jittery, depending on a whole lot of stuff. if you play the same beat with the MPC just rolling by itself it will sound much tighter (imo). but the problem with that is, if you record it without any sync, no matter what, there will be some drift between what the MPC thinks the tempo is and what the computer thinks the tempo is. so a minute or so into the track it'll be totally off the grid and wrong when you try and overdub other shit onto it.

so, you sync your audio interface to the SPDIF output on the MPC, and then roll it without any other sync. this means the MPC chugs along as tightly as it can, and the computer rolls along at the same rate. then, after you've laid down the beat, you just trim up to the first sample, and the rest stays in sync forever.

my experience is that plugins and samplers in all but a few sequencers are not sample-accurate. that means that if you lay down a beat in say, battery, and bounce it twice, the two bounces will be slightly different. maybe not audibly so, but if you then go to do further resampling or editing, it quickly gets very annoying.
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By waxmastawes Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:43 pm
im also having a hard time understanding this.. you mean to say theres no way to get all your tracks out seperately/100% accurately with the 1000? i havent realy gave it a try yet, but concidering the fact that most people who are into purchasing beats NEED/WANT to have everything on seperate tracks..... how are we suposed to go about doing this with this thing i spent over a grrand for? the only software i use is CoolEditpro, for multitrackking etc..

By ascdi Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:15 pm
im also having a hard time understanding this.. you mean to say theres no way to get all your tracks out seperately/100% accurately with the 1000? i havent realy gave it a try yet, but concidering the fact that most people who are into purchasing beats NEED/WANT to have everything on seperate tracks..... how are we suposed to go about doing this with this thing i spent over a grrand for? the only software i use is CoolEditpro, for multitrackking etc..


i'm not sure if this was directed at me or not, but i'll keep ranting anyway.

i think the issue is that some people (i am one of them) feel like the 1k loses "something" when it is slaving to midi clock from a computer-based sequencer. in the few informal tests i've done, this seems to be likely. personally, i think it's more to do with USB midi interfaces sucking and less with the 1k, but whatever. let's assume you feel that way too.

the issue is, what is the best way to get a beat from the 1k to the computer "on the grid"? obviously you might want to edit the beat later on, move things around, etc, so you need the tempos to match.

ok, so ... you could just roll the computer, then roll the 1k, and record the beat. then you set the tempo on cool edit to the same tempo you had on the MPC, right?

but if you do that, the beat will eventually drift out of time as measured by the computer. the reason is that all devices run at slightly different speeds. if you put two clocks on the wall, set them to the same time, and wait a month, they won't match anymore either. it's unavoidable.

that's the reason we want to midi sync. however, we already decided that the sound of midi clock sync is yucky, so what do we do? well, most computer sequencers derive their sense of "time" (ie. timing) from the audio clock. the audio clock is the thing that drives your sound card at 44,100 (or whatever) hz.

so what we'll do, instead of blasting 7-byte 1980s era sync messages back and forth over a rickety midi cable, is lock the two sample clocks together so that both sequencers run at the same rate. they won't start and stop at the same time, and they won't jump to the same PLACE, but they will run at the same SPEED, which means that they won't drift at all.

so you don't actually have to record from SPDIF (you can record from all 6 analog outs), but if you clock your PC to SPDIF when you track, there won't be any drift. then you scoot all the tracks into position (ie. line them up at 1|1|000 or whatever) and they will be in sync with "the grid" in your DAW for the rest of the tune.

i would have long since ditched my 1k if i didn't learn about this. it's not perfect, but it beats the alternatives (for me).

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By joeybells Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:05 am
MTC working fine over here....
Sounds like ur computer is useless, or maybe your midi interface..
or maybe ur just useless??? - highly likely