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i disagree. the machines are of the same family...same DNA so to speak...the 500's quantize isnt better than the 2500...just means there may have been a bug in your 2500 or you couldnt figure out how to work it.

Not for lack of knowledge. MPC's aren't rocket science. It's just to my ears I think the 2500's timing is garbage. Even when I try to quantize it perfectly 1/16, it still kind of seems the drum hits are one to two milliseconds behind where they should be on the 1 and the 3 and the 2 and the 4, sometimes. Not all the times. And I know I'm not the only one who thinks the 25k sequencer doesn't start recording when it should: http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php ... t=quantize . You shouldn't have to go to grid edit to get a tight sequence. I've also tried this thing extensively at three different Guitar Centers, even going as far as sampling loops from a portable cd player. Same results. I was really serious about getting one, but these timing issues are inexcusable for a beat machine. I'm looking into coppin a 3k or maybe even a 500 now.

I used to think that the 2500 had timing issuses. When I first picked it up I felt like the sequencer just wasn't as tight as it should be. I felt just like you feel now. I also felt that the only way to get a tight sequence was to use grid edit mode.

Needless to say I don't feel that way anymore. I'm not sure if there was a problem or not, but there are no longer any sequence timing issues with my 2500. .......anyway take another look into it, the 2500 is an awesome machine!!1

**** it man, the 2500 is way overpriced for what you get. At least with the 500 you get true portability, and an opportunity to use your ears!

The 2500 has alot of features that are not in the 500, plain and simple.

so what is the going price then? around $650??? Guitar center cant be selling them for $800. thats bananas...

I want to revise my statement and just say that the 2500's timing is not garbage. Let's just say it's not as user friendly as it's predecessors when laying down a groove. I can pretty much lay down any pattern I want, it just takes way longer to do so with record, get frustrated, undo seq, record again, start cursing at the machine, undo seq, and then record again. You can see how this is a very frustrating, arduous task. I can pretty much lay down anything I want in a 25k and a 1k, it's just a matter of patience, whereas I can just jump on a 4k, 2kxl, 3k and just start banging away. I really do alot of complicated rolls and paradiddles, so that's why my drum machine needs to be on point. I really really want to get this machine too, so that's what makes it even more frustrating. I think in general, all MPC's are overpriced for what they do, especially at retail. So that's why I buy all my Mp's on the second-hand market while doing my due diligence. For instance I got a cat trying to offer me a mint, fully blown 25k for $1400. And I still think that's a little bit too much, especially since people aren't getting squat for em on ebay, which is a shame. So that's why I'm looking long and hard at a Roger Linn. But man, Chop Shop is the sh*t.

its bena wrote:so what is the going price then? around $650??? Guitar center cant be selling them for $800. thats bananas...

I doubt anywhere but Nova is giving that price range.

And why do you say you no longer have any timing issues Upright??? Did you update the OS or something. I kind of find it hard to believe that all off a sudden the computer inside would gain artificial intelligence and correct itself.

jbplaya wrote:And why do you say you no longer have any timing issues Upright??? Did you update the OS or something. I kind of find it hard to believe that all off a sudden the computer inside would gain artificial intelligence and correct itself.

He got used to its timing most likely...and it wasn't really off in the first place...just different.

Yoshimi wrote:

jbplaya wrote:And why do you say you no longer have any timing issues Upright??? Did you update the OS or something. I kind of find it hard to believe that all off a sudden the computer inside would gain artificial intelligence and correct itself.

He got used to its timing most likely...and it wasn't really off in the first place...just different.

I think your right Yoshi....the 2500 was my first mpc, once I got comfortable with it no problems at all. I can't tell the difference between my 2500 and my 500 as far as the timing goes.

I did update the OS, cant remember if that was before or after the timming issues. Works like fire now though!!1 You should pick one up if you get the chance. you won't be disappointed.

If you want my advice , there are a couple of threads where people were complaining about the timming. Find those threads and pm a coulpe of the guys and see how they feel now.

How do you like going back and forth from the 2500 to the 500? Does it feel awkward going from one to the other, or somewhat natural? Like, do they feel really different (pads, layout, etc.) or relatively similar?

Thanks.

The layout does feel different. After messing with the 500 for awhile my 2500 feels really big ...big pads,big machine...etc.

I don't mind going from the 500 to the 2500, especially now that I am comfortable with both of them.

Yoshimi wrote:he is the only one who I have seen in Scratch magazine who admits to using the MPC1000 as well.

salaam remi and large professor uses the 1000. dre (cool and dre) does too. the first 2 should be inspiration enough.

alskee wrote:large professor uses the 1000.

yeah, I noticed that in the recent issue of scratch...but even more cool was that he uses the forgotten ASRX pro.

jbplaya wrote:I want to revise my statement and just say that the 2500's timing is not garbage. Let's just say it's not as user friendly as it's predecessors when laying down a groove. I can pretty much lay down any pattern I want, it just takes way longer to do so with record, get frustrated, undo seq, record again, start cursing at the machine, undo seq, and then record again. You can see how this is a very frustrating, arduous task. I can pretty much lay down anything I want in a 25k and a 1k, it's just a matter of patience, whereas I can just jump on a 4k, 2kxl, 3k and just start banging away. I really do alot of complicated rolls and paradiddles, so that's why my drum machine needs to be on point. I really really want to get this machine too, so that's what makes it even more frustrating. I think in general, all MPC's are overpriced for what they do, especially at retail. So that's why I buy all my Mp's on the second-hand market while doing my due diligence. For instance I got a cat trying to offer me a mint, fully blown 25k for $1400. And I still think that's a little bit too much, especially since people aren't getting squat for em on ebay, which is a shame. So that's why I'm looking long and hard at a Roger Linn. But man, Chop Shop is the sh*t.

im wondering like the other dude was saying wether you had a software problem or something to that effect, because even though the 2500 is my 1st mpc, ive used hardware sequencers for many years (ensoniq eps,kurzweil k2vx,triton studio) the 2500 is by far the best sequencer ive come across , the workflow is like majic, no learning curve, ive made more beats with it in 4months than i made in a year with the other, im loving it