New JJ Os For The 2500 Is Here. Check It Out.

Also can someone please tell how you are supposed to use GRID Mode without the COPY or CUT functions

Sovereign wrote:Think of the Akai programmers just like any other job, they do what the people paying require you to do. If Akai say finish coding the 500 that's what they had to do. In Akai's situation they have to get more done with even less staff than they had previously.

that's exactly why i said they either are lazy or mismanaged. too bad this is how most companies are run these days. t wasn't like that pre-80's, products had a longer life. its ironic that today with all our collective knowlegde, we could build products 100 times better, super efficient, pollute less, last longer, etc, but decisions are made that go in the opposite way just to make more money.

Sovereign wrote:Music is what I do and I have had no issues with saving, creating folders or any file functions.
In fact in 8 months the only crash/freeze/reset I have experienced was with the JJ OS v3.02.
Think of the Akai programmers just like any other job, they do what the people paying require you to do.
If some one wants a their mix a certain way that's what I give, if they want a certain type of track that's what I try to give.
It's the same for them.
If Akai say finish coding the 500 that's what they had to do.
If they said work on XYZ then that's what they have to do.
If the 2500 would have been based on the XL OS that would be one thing but for a new product with a turn in direction to be down to less than 5 real bugs in a years time is actually good.
Yes there are companies with bug free products but they are actually re-incarnations of previous technology they had or have been around for more than 2 years.
The original MPC2k had it share of issues for quite some time, the XL wasn't bad since it was an improved OG 2k.
My point is not to defend Akai but to state the reality of the situation.
Akai's true mistake was waiting too long to declare bankruptcy.
It's what stalled the progress of the 4k as well as caused them to past control of the company to another entity.
At least they are still around, when it happened to Ensoniq it ended them.
Red, look at it like this it's like you walk in your kitchen to get something to drink but before you can drink something that you purchased with your own money you have to call me and ask if it's ok.
In Akai's situation they have to get more done with even less staff than they had previously.
But hey they do have a current job posting.

Aren't you kind of blowing your cover?

Also, guess what?
NOT OUR FUKKINNG PROBLEM!

Don't try to convince people to empathize with Akai, Fukk them, they're a business.

If they continually fumble in customer support, updates, marketing, distribution and innovation they WILL be called out on it.

King_Vitamin wrote:Also, guess what?
NOT OUR FUKKINNG PROBLEM!

Don't try to convince people to empathize with Akai, **** them, they're a business.

If they continually fumble in customer support, updates, marketing, distribution and innovation they WILL be called out on it.

It's no different than what Roland, Digidesign or any other company does.
The more gear you own and have owned the better you understand.
The 1k is still selling, the 2500 is selling and the 500 is also starting to move.
All these comments mean nothing.
The crying about Akai this Akai that is irrelevant they are still getting the coin.
Actually is pretty silly to think that a 3rd Party OS hurts Akai, the JJ OS probably boosted the sales of the 1k even more.
Gives Akai the benefit without the work.
What do you think your $30 OS is running on?
Increased Akai profit margin.
They are losing nothing because you give them the $999 or $1999 to run it on.
Just shows true brillance on Akai's party.

Sovereign wrote:Actually is pretty silly to think that a 3rd Party OS hurts Akai, the JJ OS probably boosted the sales of the 1k even more.
Gives Akai the benefit without the work.
What do you think your $30 OS is running on?
Increased Akai profit margin.
They are losing nothing because you give them the $999 or $1999 to run it on.
Just shows true brillance on Akai's party.

that's actually the smartest comment i've seen yet.

Red Ketchup wrote:
another observation: there's a few ungrateful bastards here. JJ's OS is an option, we get it for free, and yet we still complain? if i were JJ and read this forum i'd say **** you america and the rest, I'll keep my own custom OS just for me & my mates here in Japan. so at least be glad that YOU HAVE AN OPTION. akai didn't give you an option at all, just a buggy OS.

This is not the 1000 forum you bundle of sticks. Obviously, you have never used the MPC 2500 with the Akai OS or the JJ OS. Or you wouldn't make silly comments. Complaining about an OS? That is exactly what you are doing son. Reporting the JJ OS crashed my MPC is not complaining. Just stating a fact. No Akai OS....has ever performed like this. Akai doesn't let the general public beta test their software (as I am told). The JJ OS is nothing more than a beta OS...which is why they can keep giving it to you to trouble shoot and quickly put out another for your to continue to do the same. Akai probably does pretty much the same thing...but only beta testers get the OS. No Red Ketchup, if you have anything else smart (or not so smart) to say, I look forward to hearing it.

Fior the rest of you, I have always told it like it is. I don't work for Akai and I am not in JJs back pocket. If you give me a crappy OS, I will be more than happy to talk about it.

If you catz are unhappy with Akai, why do you insist on using their products? If they continually fumble in customer support, updates, marketing, distribution and innovation they WILL be called out on it?? Why would anybody care about most of these topics? As long as I have a working MPC, I am good. Distribution, marketing, innovation? What does that have to do with you and your 2 bar loops? Spend more time on your MPC and less time in the forums. You will be much happier.

As far as products having a longer life/shelf life? 20 years of MPCs? They must be doing something right, I guess. A new MPC has been released at least every 3 years since 1987/8.....just throwin that out there.

Red Ketchup wrote:akai has done a VERY bad job with the OS, and unfortunately, the programming team (which is probably 1 or 2 guys) is either a bunch of lazy bastards or just being mismanaged by their bosses.

another observation: there's a few ungrateful bastards here. JJ's OS is an option, we get it for free, and yet we still complain? if i were JJ and read this forum i'd say **** you america and the rest, I'll keep my own custom OS just for me & my mates here in Japan. so at least be glad that YOU HAVE AN OPTION. akai didn't give you an option at all, just a buggy OS.

-Red

Couldn't agree more.

jahrome wrote:If you catz are unhappy with Akai, why do you insist on using their products? If they continually fumble in customer support, updates, marketing, distribution and innovation they WILL be called out on it?? Why would anybody care about most of these topics? As long as I have a working MPC, I am good. Distribution, marketing, innovation? What does that have to do with you and your 2 bar loops? Spend more time on your MPC and less time in the forums. You will be much happier.

Damn, you might be right.

poof.

jahrome wrote:This is not the 1000 forum you bundle of sticks. ... No Red Ketchup, if you have anything else smart (or not so smart) to say, I look forward to hearing it.

... Spend more time on your MPC and less time in the forums. You will be much happier.

So...Akai's OS is buggy on my machine, and JJ's OS fixed and added a few things that i was waiting for, and so far hasn't crapped on me. I'm glad that JJ worked on this. What have YOU done constructive and positive lately Jahrome? Man, you come of as an obnoxious soab 99% of the time.

JJ´s OS is running on my machine for a few days now and it works
fine for me, even though some things are missing or donot work
properly.

But first of all we should give big shouts to that guy who was bored
of all these annoying bugs in the original OS. He hacked the code
AND DID ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS AKAI SHOULD DO !!!!!

If I were Akai I would be deeply ashamed and would hack JJs code
immidately to improve my embarassing work......

i think that JJ has ties with akai. either he worked there before, or has had access to the code by someone inside.

Red Ketchup wrote:
So...Akai's OS is buggy on my machine, and JJ's OS fixed and added a few things that i was waiting for, and so far hasn't crapped on me. I'm glad that JJ worked on this. What have YOU done constructive and positive lately Jahrome? Man, you come of as an obnoxious soab 99% of the time.

First of all, I have done as much as anyone in these forums to bring insightful information/help. What have YOU done? You can insult me but your are a clown. Fact is, if you own and know how to use your MPC 2500 (if you actually own one)...you would know that the Akai OS is not buggy? So here is your chance. Post a step by step thread on how to reproduce the bugs you claim you have. The JJ OS does have bugs as reported on their own page. I have experienced several crashes as well as other forum members....

The floor is yours now...

Red Ketchup wrote:i think that JJ has ties with akai. either he worked there before, or has had access to the code by someone inside.

My thoughts exactly. I posted this earlier. There is no other way to get the proper compiler and such.

jahrome wrote:your are a clown. The floor is yours now...

with the akai OS, the biggest problems are: mtc doesn't work, and most importantly: there is heavy file corruption, i can't overwrite files here without corruption, and i've also lost samples. i don't have nearly the same amount of free time as you do to play around reproducing bugs, but reading through this board i have found many other folks with the same probs as me, and b4 using JJ's OS i had found some useful workarounds. i will point out that NO helpful post ever came from you, you seem to only defend akai here, which is a bit sad...

the time i spend on the mtc is to make music, i have no time or energy to spend on your little games. the units i make music on have to be tight, and what i save to disk should not get corrupted. it should also sync properly to my rig.

keep going nuts with your little paranoia, but i'm telling you the OS has serious flaws, no amount of insulting on your part will make me believe otherwise.

i've already contacted akai since i bought the 2500, there are aware of these problems of course. but JJ acted quicker it seems.