How to add more feeling to the drums!

just turn quantize off and do you. dont try to be dilla. be you

look in the production tech, forum theres plenty about this in there

man this topic is so dry ......too much of this bull sh*t here......this has nothing to do with the 2500

study cats like battlecat, illmind, symbolic one, black milk, and kev brown.

Those are some pretty recent cats right there Anonymous. Of course no disrespect to any of them, I even bought the Kev Brown album to show some luv after he did the De La Soul joint, I enjoyed for the most part, and illmind is the best friend of like ALL my high school friends so of course no disrepect, but you can easily skip over them and listen to their idols which would be Large Professor, Marly Marl, Primo, Pete Rock, Beatminers, Havoc, Jaydee (you will be suprised that most of them even BEGAN AFTER Jaydee got popular), etc.. I'm saying that because these producers where originating those production styles in the late 80's to mid 90's on the SP-1200, mpc 60 and 3000 and their inspiration was just old records, the newer producers started in the late 90's and are still trying to figure out how those trend setting producers that put it down back then made those beats happen, the same as you would be, so why study someone so recent that is still figuring it out themselves??

^^Actually that is pretty true,the oldschoolers(if you will) have much more flavor(IMHO) than anything that is out there now.

anonymous_103 wrote:study cats like battlecat..............

Funny you say that, I have Battlecat's remix of "JUST DIPPIN" loaded in my car right now, MAN that song has SO much flavor and style it's crazy.


Excellent list of producers by the way.

dax917 wrote:

study cats like battlecat, illmind, symbolic one, black milk, and kev brown.

Those are some pretty recent cats right there Anonymous. Of course no disrespect to any of them, I even bought the Kev Brown album to show some luv after he did the De La Soul joint, I enjoyed for the most part, and illmind is the best friend of like ALL my high school friends so of course no disrepect, but you can easily skip over them and listen to their idols which would be Large Professor, Marly Marl, Primo, Pete Rock, Beatminers, Havoc, Jaydee (you will be suprised that most of them even BEGAN AFTER Jaydee got popular), etc.. I'm saying that because these producers where originating those production styles in the late 80's to mid 90's on the SP-1200, mpc 60 and 3000 and their inspiration was just old records, the newer producers started in the late 90's and are still trying to figure out how those trend setting producers that put it down back then made those beats happen, the same as you would be, so why study someone so recent that is still figuring it out themselves??

oh i know exactly what your talkin about man. personally, i think the "loose drumming" stlye blew up when jay dee came out. i think he's the one that added the most to it and made people notice. i was just throwing those names out there because they all have different styles of that kind of drumming. and yeah personally, i dont think those cats would have their style if it wasnt for dilla either. hell kev brown says "i learn form the greats pete rock, to jay dee, diggin in the crates of premo". no disrespect taken.

Lampdog wrote:

anonymous_103 wrote:study cats like battlecat..............

Funny you say that, I have Battlecat's remix of "JUST DIPPIN" loaded in my car right now, MAN that song has SO much flavor and style it's crazy.


Excellent list of producers by the way.

battle cat aint no joke. since the early 90s, he's been a monster.

Just learn your machine and do you

and most of all DIG

there is so much you can learn from digging for records. You can drill yourself calling out certain notes on records/chord changes etc. The only difference between yourself and the people inspiring you is that they have been consistently working on there craft to get to the point where they're at.

Of course you can greatly influenced as many of us have been by people like Jay Dee or Primo, but life is too short, learn experience through your craft and in turn you will learn about yourself and who you truly are.


I hope I didn't sound like a book or something.

Nice post Everday is saturday. Keep experimenting. I think its good to learn from what has been done before from the greats as well: DITC, Beatminerz, Primo, Dilla, Large Pro, Pete Rock (most of his drums sound very improvised and real funky and live), etc. By truly listening and trying to follow along with the beat you can see alot of really interesting nuances i.e. timing styles and where there is swing and where there isn't veloicty variations accented notes etc. You don't have to follow these nuances and implement them as strict doctrine in order to get a funky sound. Instead just take note that these are techniques that have worked before and understand that its ok to break rules.

Just keep experimenting and try new things out even if they don't sound or come out good. If you have an idea and can work and develop it or even work around it you can create your own groove style and techniques.

PUSH THE LIMITS!!!

My method was a trial and error thing. And to go even further on studying music, old soul and funk records will teach you alot on feeling of drums. I have been a drummer for 12 years so I always used to program with no quantization ( did not even know it was there back then I used a Yamaha EX5 and it is not automatic once you turn the unit on ) So it took me alot longer to put tracks together but by doing this I learned how to make beats without quantizing.

Just learn your machine and do you

and most of all DIG

there is so much you can learn from digging for records. You can drill yourself calling out certain notes on records/chord changes etc. The only difference between yourself and the people inspiring you is that they have been consistently working on there craft to get to the point where they're at.

Of course you can greatly influenced as many of us have been by people like Jay Dee or Primo, but life is too short, learn experience through your craft and in turn you will learn about yourself and who you truly are.


I hope I didn't sound like a book or something.

Thats where I was sorta getting at with my last posting. Practice your sound and be you the best you can. What I meant in MY post was that if in any case you DO study others, don't study someone thats so close to you in experience, ex: if NAS got his from Kool G Rap, and I wanted to sound like NAS, I would go straight to Kool G Rap records

Really think your chop out on drum breaks like leaving tails on kiks ...Try this as an exercise Chop the same break 5 different times and chop one of them by ear not looking at the waveform. Chop one in 1/8 's etc.. See how the different aproaches work or dont work. Then make a kit using the best hits from all 5 kits. See if this changes how you think a bit.

how to turn quatization off?
i mean i did nothing to turn it on... should i do smth to stop?

am1 wrote:how to turn quatization off?
i mean i did nothing to turn it on... should i do smth to stop?

press f1 and turn note value to off.