King of the Beats won wit a MV8000

yeah, that's right; Celebrity Judges: JUST BLAZE & THE ALCHEMIST..... Hosted by: RAHZEL...

Roland even sponsored the Event. Great marketing on their part.

I thought Roland was a sponsor. They'll do anything to try to push the MV. It will take them some time to ever lure the masses from the MPC. If I was going backwards and got the 2500 or 4000 first, I would probably never had considered the MV. But as I mentioned earlier, since I did use the MV, it does have a personality of its own and has some stong points, especially the sythesized sounds. I'ma go to the Nation website and jack em up a little. One.

Prophacee wrote:
I thought Roland was a sponsor. They'll do anything to try to push the MV. It will take them some time to ever lure the masses from the MPC. If I was going backwards and got the 2500 or 4000 first, I would probably never had considered the MV. But as I mentioned earlier, since I did use the MV, it does have a personality of its own and has some stong points, especially the sythesized sounds. I'ma go to the Nation website and jack em up a little. One.

And I thought you'd be finished talking about the MV by now

The MV is a sampler loaded with samples. Like all samplers, it will playback what you put into it If you wanted sythesized Roland sounds.....should have went with the Fantom XR..like me

But take care...tell the MV Forum that Jahrome said wut up! Especially to Trusty

shit jahrome you post on every site i see. you still No1 MPC seller on ebay!!? I rekon a different sound on the MV is a good point in its favour. As sps and asrs are no longer manufactured everyones using the exact same machien so theres not as many original sounds out. i knwo its how yuo use it but still, different samplers of old had different charecteristics.

mreilly wrote:
**** jahrome you post on every site i see. you still No1 MPC seller on ebay!!? I rekon a different sound on the MV is a good point in its favour. As sps and asrs are no longer manufactured everyones using the exact same machien so theres not as many original sounds out. i knwo its how yuo use it but still, different samplers of old had different charecteristics.

Actually...I only post on this site. I rarely go to the other sites.

Different sound? Not this debate again. The sound of all these electronic devices are so close...you can't tell which is which in a blind test. (did a test with the MPC 2500 and 3000 here in the forum.....most people guessed thought the tMPC 2500 track was done by the MPC 3000)...

Anway... As far as having an original sound...create your own patches and stop using presets...

jahrome wrote:Anway... As far as having an original sound...create your own patches and stop using presets...

presets on a sampler?

Has anyone here made a list or seen a list on the web of the differences in specs of the MVs and MPCs? I'd like to see that side by side.

thanx

Dave

Yo Jah,

Yeah I'm still talking about the MV. Its information. Some are interested maybe not you. But its all good dude. I disagree that ALL digital samplers sound the same. Maybe two MPCs have similar sounds, but all samplers don't sound the same. Both sample frequency and sample rate have affects on sound. Also different editting algorithms will produce different modified sounds that can be extremely audible to the ear. In my experience, if I sample a sound on the MV, ASR10 and Triton it will not sound the same, especially after some editing. Some samplers capture sound differently and you may have to use a hotter input to get a bigger sound in one versus the other, which will also ultimately change the sound some. So although digital signals are VERY similar at their most basic level, different equipment does lead in many cases to differences in sound. I do agree with you in that if I needed synthesized sound, the Fantom would be a better choice than the MV. But to be honest, I would rather have a Motif. Oh I forgot, the sound of the Motif and Fantom are SO close that I couldn't tell the difference anyway. Huh? One Love.

davelister wrote:
presets on a sampler?

Has anyone here made a list or seen a list on the web of the differences in specs of the MVs and MPCs? I'd like to see that side by side.

thanx

Dave

You do know there are samplers that have actual presets included Of course you don't know asking a silly questions....need a list of differences between an MV and MPC. Go to Akai and Roland site...copy and paste the specs to a word document...and now you have your side by side

jahrome wrote:You do know there are samplers that have actual presets included Of course you don't know asking a silly questions....need a list of differences between an MV and MPC. Go to Akai and Roland site...copy and paste the specs to a word document...and now you have your side by side

Jerome,
no, i don't know that samplers have presets. To me, samplers are a blank slate, put in whatever you want to make yourself stand out from the overcrowded music world.

About the Akai vs MV specs comparison chart, i simply asked if it existed already.

-Dave

davelister wrote:
Jerome,
no, i don't know that samplers have presets. To me, samplers are a blank slate, put in whatever you want to make yourself stand out from the overcrowded music world.

About the Akai vs MV specs comparison chart, i simply asked if it existed already.

-Dave

Although they are no longer made anymore...Emu released samplers that actually had ROM with presets. Some also contained ability to burn presets to Flash Rom. Emu has since went the software route. Their new soft-samplers have all of the presets of their famed-synth line.

Also, Rolands Fantom XR is a sound module and sampler. Korg Triton rack is a sound module and sampler. With these tools, you have the best of both worlds. You can sample your own sounds....create patches with the onboard sounds and sample them.....many other possibilities.


www.akaipro.com www.rolandus.com Now, if there isn't a compare/contrast doc on the net...you have the means to do one. Only users would do something like a chart.

Prophacee wrote:
Yo Jah,

Yeah I'm still talking about the MV. Its information. Some are interested maybe not you. But its all good dude. I disagree that ALL digital samplers sound the same. Maybe two MPCs have similar sounds, but all samplers don't sound the same. Both sample frequency and sample rate have affects on sound. Also different editting algorithms will produce different modified sounds that can be extremely audible to the ear. In my experience, if I sample a sound on the MV, ASR10 and Triton it will not sound the same, especially after some editing. Some samplers capture sound differently and you may have to use a hotter input to get a bigger sound in one versus the other, which will also ultimately change the sound some. So although digital signals are VERY similar at their most basic level, different equipment does lead in many cases to differences in sound. I do agree with you in that if I needed synthesized sound, the Fantom would be a better choice than the MV. But to be honest, I would rather have a Motif. Oh I forgot, the sound of the Motif and Fantom are SO close that I couldn't tell the difference anyway. Huh? One Love.

Whut up son!


Pro, I was just joking..but really, most people in an MPC forum do not care about whats going on with an MV and vice versa. If someone really wanted to know about the MV..they would go to a place dedicated to the MV. This is just for information purposes. You are free to continue on as much as you like

Its cools that you believe all samplers don't sound the same. Truth be told...they probably do sound slightly different. My point is that if you listen to a recording from a sampler, you will not be able to tell where it came from.

And I own a FantomX and a Motif ES. Now if you are familar with the patches, you could probably guess which was which. But if I created patches with each...you wouldn't know the difference.

So everytime I hear about all this techno-babble in these forums about the sound of this and sound of that....then you run these instruments through cheap mixers, converters, crappy monitors...with poor digital sync.....what you are really capturing and what you think you are capturing are at the opposite end of the spectrum.

By the way.....since we are on the subject...the XV-5080 is better built and sounds better than a Fantom X

And if you really care that much about the sound of a sampler...get yourself Giga Studio Sampler, DAW (take your pick) and an Apogee interface. You can get that close to the same prices as an MV/MPC and have a more powerful sequencer, more powerful sampler, and superior AD/DA converters......but you probably already know this, right?

jahrome wrote:So everytime I hear about all this techno-babble in these forums about the sound of this and sound of that

you're right jahrome.
the listener will most probably not recognise the gear that was used, but the person actually making the music knows very well and it makes a big difference in the way he/she works.

some get creative when they feel good about some gear, for whatever reasons. nothing wrong with that, even though some scientist would come in and say "this piece of gear is better because the converters are made with blahblahblha", if it feels right, it is right. no matter what anyone else says.


-Dave

davelister wrote:
you're right jahrome.
the listener will most probably not recognise the gear that was used, but the person actually making the music knows very well and it makes a big difference in the way he/she works.

some get creative when they feel good about some gear, for whatever reasons. nothing wrong with that, even though some scientist would come in and say "this piece of gear is better because the converters are made with blahblahblha", if it feels right, it is right. no matter what anyone else says.


-Dave

Do you even own an MPC?

If so, are you implying that you are that listner?