Sampling 45's vs LP's

So if there was a sample you wanted to use and it was available on both 45 and the LP, which source would you choose and why?

I'm wondering if theres certain advantages/disadvantages between the two...

I'm no expert but isn't the sound fatter on the 45? I might be wrong but based on what I think I know - I would sample it from the 45.

I've heard about 45's being 'fatter'. I dunno if theres any truth behind it though.

I'd listen to both and decide.

45's cheaper, 12's u get the whole album, but if the song u need is on a 45...theres no point of getting something you dont want unless you find something else on the 12.

I'd think either way you can always "fatten" the sample with the MPC with assigning the sound to two pads and panning one to the left and the other to the right. But I haven't heard about the 45's having a fatter sound. If it's vinyl I'll cop any version.

I experimented this summer with sampling at different speeds. I didn't try a 12" of a track vs a 7" of the same, so I can't speak to that. I tried sampling 33 1/3 speed tracks at 33, 45, and 78. I then pitched the faster samples down to the correct pitch (in the sample screen, not the pgm screen, othewise you have to do it everytime you assign the sample to a different pgm!)

I thought the sample taken at 45 vs 33 did sound 'warmer.' This could be due to the fact that it rolls a little of the high end off of the sample. 78, on the other hand, sounds like ass. I remember it sounding somewhat 'hollow' at that speed. This is a nice technique to remember if you need to save sampling time. I always forget to do it, though.

i go by this method "what ever's closer to me,"

45's are fatter sound and they sound more grimey but it's all a preference of choice ,i have many 45's that i have the 12" or LP of ,but as i said if i'm next to my 45's or listen to them then i will sample it,vise versa,

sometimes the 45 is louder then a 12" or LP, thats a plus in my book less gain you have to use and the sample doesnt come out all distored

45 RPM´s enables to push a few dB extra out of the record, which gives a better signal too noise ratio (less surface noise).

A 45 RPM 12" single will most likely also sound "better" or more appropriately, cleaner, because most of the music is found in the outer grooves.
The fact is that quality and resolution of the sound declines as the needle is travelling inwards.
For each revolution of the record it plays a definite amount of time, about 1,5 sec I think. In the outer grooves those 1,5 sec of sound can be stored and spread over a substantially longer groove than in the inner grooves, where the same amount of audio information must be stored in a groove maybe three or four times as short. This gives rise to a problem called "inner groove distortion" which results in a muddier, cracklier and sound with a general lower resolution.

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I noticed that too when I was playing that Lafeyette Afro rockband joint. It's on an alpha O. (I know I know, I 'll get the OG when I find it) As the record approaches the end it does lose top end and get distorted a bit, but for that particular record I like it. I kinda prefer 33.3's to sample from because 45's are usually **** up since people took less care of them, and this is coming from someone who likes some crackle. It doesn't take much for cue burn to get out of hand. "yo WTF was that, (spinning back record) that sounds hot, (again) word (one more time to make sure). you get the point. Can sound cool on samples alotta times, drum breaks are another story though.

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I noticed that too when I was playing that Lafeyette Afro rockband joint. It's on an alpha O. (I know I know, I 'll get the OG when I find it) As the record approaches the end it does lose top end and get distorted a bit, but for that particular record I like it. I kinda prefer 33.3's to sample from because 45's are usually **** up since people took less care of them, and this is coming from someone who likes some crackle. It doesn't take much for cue burn to get out of hand. "yo WTF was that, (spinning back record) that sounds hot, (again) word (one more time to make sure). you get the point. Can sound cool on samples alotta times, drum breaks are another story though.

yo if you got that joint LAR you better hold that one down cause thats hard to find ,and if you find it ,it will cost you , been looking for it my self
alpha O's are one of the best one's i have heard sound better then UBB's
although they do have some that are a bit metalic sounding like the skull snaps and synthetic sub... i have the OG of synthetic and it sounds way more bassy then the AO.

and on the back cue i dont normally BC on a 45 it's easier to pick up and place the needle ,that way you dont get that Cueburn, i got some records that that has happen to you'll learn in time, that some records wax was cheaper then others.
RCA is one i found to be cheap the get CB realy fast on the 45's

ryssen wrote:The fact is that quality and resolution of the sound declines as the needle is travelling inwards.
For each revolution of the record it plays a definite amount of time, about 1,5 sec I think. In the outer grooves those 1,5 sec of sound can be stored and spread over a substantially longer groove than in the inner grooves, where the same amount of audio information must be stored in a groove maybe three or four times as short. This gives rise to a problem called "inner groove distortion" which results in a muddier, cracklier and sound with a general lower resolution.

Interesting info. Another good post.

Definitely whatevers closer to me, easiest to get cheapest-by way of sayin that the album sed drum break(or any kinda sample) is on-if the album is crap or by some unknown garbage artist/band I'll go w/ the 45 cuz its cheaper. Plus like was already mentioned...They sound better-Fuller sounding, plus u hear more of the undertones. When I sample Drum Breaks( sometimes i do it with all samples) is Pitch them up on the Turntable , throw a filter on it, resample it, then down pitch it to normal{in Trim Mode}, then adjust to my liking in PGM mode. Its Gr8 to see some hard core record junkies are in the house-Death to the Microwave DJ's,Producers,and Manufacturers-keep that POISON outta da CommU.N.I.T.Y. OUT