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By Javascript Fri Feb 27, 2004 9:21 am
how do you use your samples from reason??? Do you just rewire it to cubase?? Or do you sample a reason sample in the xl?

By suenos09 Fri Feb 27, 2004 1:20 pm
Real Good Info everyone. One question though. What's the sequencer resolution in Reason vs. the MPC 2kxl? I understand most software sequencers resolution are higher than the MPC 2k/xl. Thanks in advance.

suenos
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By Madness Fri Feb 27, 2004 5:58 pm
suenos09 wrote:Real Good Info everyone. One question though. What's the sequencer resolution in Reason vs. the MPC 2kxl? I understand most software sequencers resolution is higher than the MPC 2k. Thanks in advance.

suenos


EXACTLY --- This is why when you complete your composition you would prefer to load it up into Logic rather than staying with your MPC... It is even tighter if its then Rendered into AUDIO... Audio has the highest resolution of all... and in most Modern Sequencers you can even quantise the Audio and do away with Midi altogether, simply drop your samples right onto the arrange window...

Also, Unless you have a kick ass PC its not such a good Idea to use Reason or VSTi as sound modules... What people don't understand is that they are not made for this (allthough it does work, Herbie Hancock does it live on stage with Jazz players through a Mac laptop)... When its in playback mode VSTi or Reason will degrade the quality of the Audio stream once the CPU becomes under load, It does this so the CPU can cope. Infact, I would say (allthough Im not 100% certain) That untill you render your VSTi or Reason sequence into Audio files right before mix down the sound quality will be lacking.

The problem with midi latency arrises like this: When your sequence on your MPC is playing its beats it has 0 latency as the Sample is physically in the sequencer. However, if you have it hooked up to your PC the Midi Note has to travel from your MPC down the midi cable into your Midi Interface, then into the PC' kernel, then to the App, Reason then has to tell that note to head to the VSTi which then plays the note. Obviously there is a time lag of some kind... This is not a very long delay, but a delay none the less. Now if you have 16 channels traveling down the one cable and Reason is under a heavy load as its playing 16 VSTi it may force some of your notes to wait to be processed as its very bussy playing and doing other tasks... If your multi-tracking into say LOGIC through a Yammaha 0v1 then into Logic or Pro-Tools .. I would say your Drums are going to be noticeably Early Compared to your other music and other random notes may be slighly late as well...

If Reson is Sequencing Internally (or any other Sequencer for that matter) It has been designed for this tasks and It knows because the notes are within Reason and it reads ahead in the sequence and knows a whole bunch of notes are comming up and adjusts appropriately by getting ready in advance... This is what you would prefer ultimately...

I remember 3 years ago, every Dance producer was going down the Logic path with EXS sampler because Logic and EXS were so well integrated they were really tight, tighter and better integrated than Say Cubase and Halion or Cubase with an external sampler (that has changed now mostly)... Otherwise Producers would stay with Hardware... As Hardware samplers and sound modules as they are dedicated to recieving Midi Notes and playing them (there is no complicated OS environment).

This has all changed a bit now obviously as PC's are Crazy powerfull and Music software gets really good... However, the same issues are there and its important for your composition to consider these things in advance.

If I wanted to use a sound from a VSTi in my MPC? I would sequence that sound in Cubase, then render it to audio, edit it in Sound Forge and setup the loop, riff or whatever then transfer it to the MPC by Zip. Then after my composition is complete I would transfer all the MIDI into Cubase, plus load all the samples into Halion and Mix it down internally....

Or I might Record all the Audio Multi-Tracked, Multi Imputs and synced by MTC to Cubase and then edit and mix down purely in the audio demain... I can also then add more VSTi's as I know its going to perform better internally at that stage! with less Midi Happening!

I hope this helps and give you all some ideas what is possible this day and age and a comparison between the old and the new!!

peace,
M.

By suenos09 Fri Feb 27, 2004 6:04 pm
Good stuff Madness. But does anyone know the sequencer resolution of Reason Vs. MPC 2kxl?

By D.Skel Fri Feb 27, 2004 6:34 pm
"Then after my composition is complete I would transfer all the MIDI into Cubase, plus load all the samples into Halion and Mix it down internally.... "



I know you can load mid. files in a software sequencer but how do I then load my mpc pgm. files in to play evertyhing in the computer? Is that what you are saying?[/quote]

By D.Skel Fri Feb 27, 2004 6:34 pm
"Then after my composition is complete I would transfer all the MIDI into Cubase, plus load all the samples into Halion and Mix it down internally.... "



I know you can load mid. files in a software sequencer but how do I then load my mpc pgm. files in to play evertyhing in the computer? Is that what you are saying?
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By DOVESKI Fri Feb 27, 2004 8:07 pm
DumPster wrote:i jus Downloaded the reason demo and played with it.... it's great, think i'm gonna buy it


ill sell you mine. ill even transfer the ownership to you so you can download 3 when it comes out, im over computers.

By PushingButtons Mon Mar 22, 2004 12:07 am
Wil wrote:What I am saying is I can edit samples on my pc and then place them into the one of the samplers in reason in a matter of minutes and then use the MPC to trigger the samples in reason and record that in the MPC


what do you need to achieve this....id like to do exactly that edit samples on my pc and trigger them on my mpc. please list the necessary equipment to hook everything up (midiman, soundcard, etc) thanks-peace
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By jonloc Mon Mar 22, 2004 5:46 am
word, reason is ill as ish

By djredhead Mon Mar 22, 2004 6:34 am
I have used reason and the mpc 4000 together to create songs. I will use reason to make 4 measure parts. For each part ...I will bounce the audio for the beat and melodies seperately. In reason, I will also export the midi of all tracks. Goto recycle and chop up the audio of the beat and melodies and export that as a pgm + midi and wavs. Use aksys to send all recycled stuff and the reason midi files to the mpc. On the mpc you will have to create a pgm that matches the sounds for the midi from reason. Assemble everything as sequences as you like. Repeat for more parts or sections. When you are finished you have a lot of sequences in your mpc to manipulate and use in song mode to create MORE sequences.

By D.Skel Tue Mar 23, 2004 5:47 am
someone please be specific on hooking this type of set up up.
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By juniorcartel Tue Mar 23, 2004 12:04 pm
No doubt Reason is powerfull stuff. Matter fact if you want all the hot refills download Emule which is a sharing program and you gonna see how deep the rabbit hole can go with Reason. All the refills are in there but its a bit slow but i think its well worth it. Dont worry no spyware or any crap. http://www.emule-project.net/
By en2 Tue Mar 23, 2004 12:16 pm
please give me info on how to set this up please...

By Madness Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:05 pm
djredhead wrote:I have used reason and the mpc 4000 together to create songs. I will use reason to make 4 measure parts. For each part ...I will bounce the audio for the beat and melodies seperately. In reason, I will also export the midi of all tracks. Goto recycle and chop up the audio of the beat and melodies and export that as a pgm + midi and wavs. Use aksys to send all recycled stuff and the reason midi files to the mpc. On the mpc you will have to create a pgm that matches the sounds for the midi from reason. Assemble everything as sequences as you like. Repeat for more parts or sections. When you are finished you have a lot of sequences in your mpc to manipulate and use in song mode to create MORE sequences.


Yes a sound way of working.... might be a bit time consuming.... but its better to get it right the first time eh...

By Madness Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:09 pm
D.Skel wrote:"Then after my composition is complete I would transfer all the MIDI into Cubase, plus load all the samples into Halion and Mix it down internally.... "



I know you can load mid. files in a software sequencer but how do I then load my mpc pgm. files in to play evertyhing in the computer? Is that what you are saying?


You cannot load your program files from your MPC .... You have to re-configure all your settings Attack, Velocity sensitivity, etc., ..... Its alot of work but the rewards are worth it. Improved sound quality, access to LFO's ... Multi-Timbral.... the list goes on... and it will be rocksolid and tight!!!!