Exchange tips and tricks for the Akai MPC4000
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By Blue Haze Tue Mar 23, 2004 3:55 pm
I was wondering how many beatmakers or producers recreated their favorite beats, songs and so on to study how to improve their production? I mean like looking at the original sample on the song credits
finding the song and breaking down the sample to study how it was done. When I came across the sample used on Jay-Z "In my Lifetime" by accident listening to some dusties. I was surprise at how short the piece was and how the producer made a whole song based on half notes. I love sampling for instruments!!!!!!!!!


Blue Haze



I get up to get down!!!


:wink:
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By Mohammed Tue Mar 23, 2004 6:52 pm
I dont analyze beats as much as i analyse chords and harmonics. I have a verry intuitive approach to beats.

I dont make hiphop im more into the detroitish Theo Parrish/Carl Craig stuff
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By AWW_NAWW Tue Mar 23, 2004 6:56 pm
YEAH GENERALY NEWBIES LIKE TO DO THAT SORT OF THING
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By binger0 Tue Mar 23, 2004 8:31 pm
AWW_NAWW wrote:YEAH GENERALY NEWBIES LIKE TO DO THAT SORT OF THING

hehe. Nah I never did that either. Dont really care how others MAKE beats. I like tips to include but every song is different
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By dudum Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:07 pm
yeah it's kinda bummer to find the soul in some tracks is copped. <don't know bout the one you're talking though>

towa tei 'future listening' is a great breakdown for samples and new beats. worth a study if you're lookn.
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By Iceberg-Slim Wed Mar 24, 2004 12:46 am
AWW_NAWW wrote:YEAH GENERALY NEWBIES LIKE TO DO THAT SORT OF THING


Thats kinda cold right there
Regardless if your garbage or good, theres nothing wrong with breakdowning some shit your fascinated by, noob or vet
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By Blue Haze Wed Mar 24, 2004 1:29 pm
I listen mainly to Hip hop which was my main motivation to get a MPC. The pre Timbaland and Neptunes era beats were mainly sample based like Pete Rock, Premo, Marly Marl, Bomb Squad, Tribe, and so on. But now that Just Blaze, Kanye West, Black Keys and others are reviving sample based production for the mainstream my love for it has grown more. When I say to study and break down the beat is to study it is like studying the masters like Beethoven, Mozart, Billy Joel, if one was learning piano. Every great guitarist studied other greats, Eric Clapton and B.B King for example to work out the technique, then grew into their own style. The song from Jay-Z "The Streets is Watching album" I had listened to on the ipod for lyrics many times in my life; however, I was listening to an oldies and heard the original sample by accident for half a second. I looked on the credits on the album and it listed the wrong credits, but I studied how the producer used the sample and Bam I was amazed at the genius of it. Besides I sure every singer, performer, musican and artist was inspired by some art and worked out how to do it, how to improve it, and how to change it into their own.

Everybody wanted to be like MJ in the beginning.

Also Premier said it on the Scratch Dj academy semester 01.

Blue Haze

P.S. I see my little friend is being frigid again, but I have no hate as
long as he improves his attitude.

Peace out!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

You don`t know my name by Alicia Keys is a prime example of this production.
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By Blue Haze Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:37 pm
Come to think of it Aw is right mostly about newbies. Every famous, successful artist, producer, or performer was a newbie at one time. Each one said that they studied their favorite songs, chords, riff or beat to improve themselves in the beginning. Then one day after constant practice Bam!! they were able to do it. They then when on to create their own masterpieces. For every successful artist there are countless experts that are better, but not successful. To be the best, one should learn from the best, no. :?: I have no plans to become advanced member; however, I work towards becoming a successful producer, beatmaker, electronic musican, whatever you want to be!!! Making music and being able to make a living at it is where it`s that. Quincy Jones, Bob Rock, Brian Eno, Towi Tei and so on were all newbies in the beginning that studied the previous generation of great musicans. Love the music man!!!

think of all those pictures teens have hanging on the wall the inspiration and technique came from somewhere.

I liked Towei Tei back in the Sampladelic Days!!

Blue Haze

P.S. what up with the new Akai Akys 2.61 system ?
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By AWW_NAWW Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:32 pm
YO MUTHAFUCAH I DIDNT SAY YOU WERE A BYTCH FOR DOIN THAT SHIT OR THAT YOU LICKED BALLS.... i JUST SIMPLY PUT THAT GENERALY NEBIES DO THAT SHIT MEANING YES ...ME 8 YEARS OLD WITH MY $20 YAMAHA KEYBORD THAT I BOUGHT FROM TOYS "R" US WITH MONEY I HAD BEEN SAVING UP FROM DOING CHORS. i'D LISNT TO PRINCE'S PURPLE RAIN AND TRIED TO COPY WHAT I WAS HEARING.
LAY THE FYCK OFF BEFORE I FLY AND SLAP YOU BYTCH AS$
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By Blue Haze Wed Mar 24, 2004 6:14 pm
What going on? Where is all this anger coming from? Each time I come to post some irate, insecure, weak hearted buster going to come and start shouting and mess it up for everyone else. If you don`t like my posts stay the hell off my post. _Don`t follow me around the board ok. I said that you were on point this time AWWW, but you still got some hate. Where I`m from if you got issues with someone step to them like a man and settle it. Civil, tussle or blows, but I hope nobody eggs him on. Because it can get very destructive for the learning process. This post is about Hip Hop sampling production and studying music. The other post I and he had some differences. Don`t bring it here!!!! If you wanted to say something else write on the reverb post.

Honestly, for real

Have you ever sold a beat, Have you really tried to help someone or yourself, or do you want to be on this board for 20 years still yelling and cursing at people you might meet someday face to face and have atone for your sins. I live by the motto success is the best revenge. Like I said before I`m striving to become an successful producer by learning from the best. Aww Naww are you a pro or hobbyist? What kind of music do you listen to , and how do you produce? If you can`t answer you have nothing to offer anyone. So just stay off my posts.

If you do have something positive which I believe everyone has inside them then show your gift.

Back to what I was saying almost all the great producers said that they studied some other great`s work and still learn some tips from their peers :lol:. On interviews Premo talks greatly about Marly Marl and how he studied his beats and looked what at his success now. Neptunes played and tutored under Teddy Riley and now they are the hit men to go to. Timberland learned from Devante of Jodeci and grew and the list goes on and on. You know what I`m saying. A hell of alot of professionals studying some other players style to improve themselves and then branched out on their own to become their own person. Before you would join a band learn from an experienced player watching listening and trying out the piece of music yourself until you were just as good. But if you are a solidary producer with an all in one machine it may be difficult to get the same results now.  So I`m just repeating what each of these successful producers said in their interviews and articles about if you have no one to show you study a piece of music and figure out how was it put together. If you understand then you can make it your own with your flavor, style, and feel to it. For the hip hop, trip hop, R&B, mpc music makers keep on rocking.

P.S. I may be new to posting on this board, but I`m not exactly a newbie Producer and I don`t like loudmouths either. I `m cool with cool headed people, but I can get down with the dozens when I feel like it. My boys egged me on to embarrass the dude with the funny pictures it was in fun for real. I hope the he cools off on this .

But if not...............God Bless

Blue Haze
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By AWW_NAWW Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:09 pm
you started all this shit when you was tryin to clown I'll give you a pass. Sold beats? yes I have it was for basicaly peanuts but hey I did. and I listen to everything under the sun and moon. and how do I produce ? once I learn all the buttons on my gear like makin love I do it wit the lights out :lol:
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By Blue Haze Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:16 pm
Were you able to get the mono studder function to work in the drum program finally?

By D_Samp Sun Mar 28, 2004 7:17 pm
AWW_NAWW wrote:YEAH GENERALY NEWBIES LIKE TO DO THAT SORT OF THING


Your arrogant and truly bizarre response has been totally thrown back in your face in this thread. It people like you who will never get anywhere or last long in this industry with an attitude like that.

Sell half as many records as me and then i'll take you seriously.
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By Reveal Sun Mar 28, 2004 7:49 pm
respect D_samp and haze ,
u gota ask yourself whats the point in having forums if every time someone posts a thread they get hated or snoby posts...

...........were all friends arnt we ???