not the end of the mpc but for ...

elmacaco wrote:I disagree that a computer and software will outlast hardware.

My oldest piece of gear is 26 years old, I have friends with older gear. My MPC 60 is a workhorse. Computers are not built to last like that, and as soon as you want new software and all that, you end up having to upgrade your computer if it is more than 3 years old.

Software conflicts, bugs, viruses, unexplained crashes, carpull tunnel syndrome, I deal with it for what I need to use the computer for, but computers require a lot of maintanence. Compare that to your S950, it may need some repair, but many keep truckin' for a decade without problems.

In the subjective world, the end doesn't justify the means, you need to work with instruments that bring the best out of you.

I started on software, and there are some programs I love, (hello nuendo!)

but computers do sound like **** compared to tape, but the hassle isn't always worth it.

I'll end this with a quote from the MPC 60 Manual

"...I like to think of the MPC 60 as the piano or violin of our time, and of you as an MPC60ist. In the same way a violinist's style is identified by his or her vibrato and phrasing, your MPC60 virtuosity may be identified by your particular swing settings, your creative use of note repeat, or your real time use of the note variation slider. As an MPC60ist, if you find the instrument useful in your creative process, please let the world know. Next time you perform on a recording, ask to be credited not with "keyboards played by..." or "programming by..." but rather with "MPC60 played by..."

Thank you for your continued support of the MPC60. I hope you enjoy playing it as much as we have enjoyed developing it.

-Roger Linn"

Thats hot

mwalker wrote:who are you? God forbid if i die today and you lived a billioin years i have more talent in my left nut than you will ever have. by the way, i do play the drums for more than 35 years and i would run rings around you using my mpc. any day of the week including your birthday. now for some facts, hiphop is looped base and in cubase an individual save an arrangement which includes midi and audio. so, from that arrangement i would make some loops from the drum track, perc track, bass track and so on (individual tracks hihat, bass and so on). the purpose for this is the re-mix, just incase the singer does not like the beat, groove whatever. the software is used to make the process of creating loop base music faster. period. i wish there was a way where we could make some beats here on the spot so that i can should you a few things about music, beats, groove, a total education. oh yea i forgot, the firewire drive makes me portable. how does it feel to lug a desktop around.

blah blah blah, post a track and shut up

It feels great considering I have a bag made especially for it, and when I pull it out everyone likes to play with it, my mobile laptop setup doesnt get anywhere near the attention

You turn your notes into loops because it helps with .... remixing?dude do you know how stupid that sounds, of course you don't mean that I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and hope you mean you make your music in a 2 bar loop then just loop it for the rest of the song, and if you think the computer is the fastest thing for turning loop bar 1-4, hiting record, and then just copying your shit thru the rest of the song, your sadly mistaken and stupid as well...... then just deleting the track and over back over it with something new for a remix....lol

If I wanted to plug my MPC up in the kitchen there aint shit stopping that either, with all the retarded shit your saying you sho do portray a noob, all the Im blah blah blah sounds good, so if you all that good lets hear some examples of your original work, and maybe someone would take you as someone who knows what their talking about, cause its pretty apparent

I dont need any free lessons on a 2000xl, I dont use it, or music save all the b/s, Im not flying to NYC, or blah blah blah, especially when the internet is right here......

i agree with average. i dont have every piece of gear or software mentioned, but i use most of them regularly and none of them compare to the mpc. i too have the mpd 16 and use it with reason and no, it is not the same. needless to say i was disapointed about that when i got the pads.

regardless,

the mpc, as others have mentioned, is unique. it confines you to certain areas, yet expanding your horizons thru that confinement. i really enjoyed that quote from the mpc60 manual. thanks elmacaco. that summarized my feelings about the mpc for sure.

i personally think in mpc terms when i start listening for samples or beats. thats just my preference. i think to myself when i hear a sample:"aww, i could chop it like this(mentally envision the trim screen), i could zone edit that(envision the zone edit), i could trigger it like this, i could filter it like that, you get the point. when i cant enact those thoughts, i actually feel limited by all this supposedly 'superior' software if the mpc isnt around. thats right, i feel more limited by not having an mpc around as opposed to being limited by it.

i said it.

Mesh, your def right, what this cats dont understand is they flaunt around words like powerful, and flexibility, when in reality its all the same shit

Sequencer
Sampler Editor
Automation
Synthesis
Sounds
Midi Controller

All ran on hardware, that you eventually can choose to stay where your at or just keep your setup (MPC 2000xl users can buy a 4000 if they need more)

So regardless of how much you want to flaunt around the words, the only thing that seperates everything is their particular features and workflow(interface), sides that its all the same shit, which is the reason you can still make music on machines from the 1980s........

So stop knocking other peoples shit

Definitely I feel ya man, but I mean I started on the computer usin software and it really limited my creativity... When I have pads, keys and knobs in front of me I really unleash whats in my head... Instead of bein on the comp typin in numbers and hittin the mouse and shit... I feel that this just makes everything too exact and ends up stifling your creativity... But we all got our preferences... Me personally, I prefer a mix of software and hardware... Edit and clean up everything in the software... But all programming is done on my MPC... Plus I'm gettin a hardware compressor and EQ unit soon. We all got our own style.

do you have any credits on any cd? how many jungles have you played on? what is the largest crowd has you perform for? on the last cd i played on there was marcus miller on bass, bernard wright on keys, andy martinez on guitar. who is the nicest performer you have perform with? are you in the union? theory questions, how many sharps in a c sharp scale (7 sharps). trick question, what is the second degree in a b sharp scale (b sharp scale is really a c scale and the second degree is d)? i graduated from berklee in 1985. do you have a degree in music (you do not have to have a degree in music to be a producer but it is a piece of paper that says that i do know some things about music)? what is the most money you made in a year playing music? my job is music. so, just because you have a mpc does not make you a producer. mpc are sold everyday therefore a new producer is born everyday. so where are you in the picture? who has called you to put down some tracks? i am with marcus about 2 to 3 times a month. oh yea, what was the nicest studio in recorded in?

stick to your hardware, son, because you are being lapped in a 100 yard dash. i get the impression that if you lived in the horse and buggy era and car was just invented you would stick with the horse and buggy because you would be scared of the technology. that's cool. ok, i am off to work now, recording a soap comercial. what are you doing today? oh yea, beat my pads in my bedroom. i wonder what you beat when you are finished beating you pads.

dude, quit calling people out. thats not what this site is for.

guess what, i work at million dollar studio everday, i have access too all those software apps you listed, i use them everyday, i mix spots, we write music for spots and tv shows, WHO CARES about what i do. NOBODY. nobody cares that i just mixed the latest UPS spots, nobody cares that i am working on scoring a reality show for discovery. NOBODY. this is not a proving ground or a place to flaunt your credits list. that dude average produced a platinum record, you dont see him flossing that everyday, every post he makes. just chill out, man. i know people have been antagonizing you a little, but you brought on yourself.

so if you're not here to discuss why you love the mpc, how it fits into your studio, or offer suggestions about mpc related items, then go over to harmony central and rant about your fabulous software.

THIS IS A SITE FOR THE MPC!!!

Why do we always end up arguin wit some cat who wants to get on the MPC forum and argue about how software is this and software is that? Why don't you go on some computer website and talk to them? And on top of that what does having musical knowledge have anything to do with prefering a MPC over software? Don't think ur a real producer just because u know some scale-work, cuz man, i can answer any of those lil questions u throw out, and i'm only 17... I know plenty of peeps who can play a piano, play a organ, who are very knowlegable about music as a science, but couldn't drop a beat with a MP or Reason... So where is your basis on that? And I mean, what kind of glory do you get from coming on here arguing about this whole software vs. hardware thing. Man, we get this all the time, you ain't the first or the last, man get real.... this whole thing is BS... this is a MPC help forum, not a Live 3 debate team...

mwalker wrote:do you have any credits on any cd? how many jungles have you played on? what is the largest crowd has you perform for? on the last cd i played on there was marcus miller on bass, bernard wright on keys, andy martinez on guitar. who is the nicest performer you have perform with? are you in the union? theory questions, how many sharps in a c sharp scale (7 sharps). trick question, what is the second degree in a b sharp scale (b sharp scale is really a c scale and the second degree is d)? i graduated from berklee in 1985. do you have a degree in music (you do not have to have a degree in music to be a producer but it is a piece of paper that says that i do know some things about music)? what is the most money you made in a year playing music? my job is music. so, just because you have a mpc does not make you a producer. mpc are sold everyday therefore a new producer is born everyday. so where are you in the picture? who has called you to put down some tracks? i am with marcus about 2 to 3 times a month. oh yea, what was the nicest studio in recorded in?

stick to your hardware, son, because you are being lapped in a 100 yard dash. i get the impression that if you lived in the horse and buggy era and car was just invented you would stick with the horse and buggy because you would be scared of the technology. that's cool. ok, i am off to work now, recording a soap comercial. what are you doing today? oh yea, beat my pads in my bedroom. i wonder what you beat when you are finished beating you pads.

i didnt wanna get in the middle of this but if your trying to make a point that one way is better then the other your wasting your time. to you the mpc is garbage. but to the homeless man, that garbage is his mill ticket. and vice versa. it all depends on the person. it seems to me that you came to a strictly MPC site to put the MPC down and to boast your "skills" and connects in the game. that to me makes no sense. i see it like this....software is/was created to EMULATE the hardware it WANTS to be. you may love to point and click and go by the SOFTWARES rules, but with hardware i feel there's no limit and no rules. i agree that its getting more powerful, but to think the people here would agree with you was dumb. for the simple fact that everybody here loves the mpc. to make it in this game it takes creativity and being unique. **** who you play with on stage, **** how big your crowds are, **** how much u make. man in my city alone theres **** hundreds of folks wit talent. UNDISCOVERED talent. ice and anybody else may not have played wit a big tyma but we still capable of writin bangas. believe me. as far as im concerned anybody wit an mpc and the love for music gets my support. stop puttin folks down. come positive man. no time to read bullshit. what you know bout the MP? i need help my damn self. can u help me wit that? flowers scale homie, teach me bout my mpc....

holla

first off, my son is 15 and he is in school and i think you are from the midwest and it is 11:00 am in the east that means that it is 10:00 in the midwest, why arent you in school. if you would go you would learn that is is american and if a software guy (that owns about $10,000 in hardware) can come to a hardware forum and voice his opinion. if you do not like it do not read it. now, do you think if you could answer those theory questions you would be a better producer, i think so. just say you are in the studio and you want to add live guitars to your session how do you tell the guitarist what you want. time is money. it is like being in japan and cant speak japanise. it is a lot more to making music (rap, hiphop, jazz, funk, soul) than loading up some samples and beating a few pads. you are only 17 just remember mwalker when you get about 20. the more you know the better your music will be. believe that. finally, you have to get accepted to berklee. a person could take lessons (drums, pianio etc) for years and will got take accept to berklee. you must be a player. i was a all state drummer in ny for 3 year straight. you are only 17 and i do not expect you to understand but it music is your heart you will understand sooner than later. peace my boy.

lol u still talkin bout what u got. u started from the bottom and worked yo way up. am i right?

im not sure if you were talkin to me about bein 17 and bein in school...your wrong, but thats off topic anyway....but you damn right this brotha gets off work, pick my daughter up, go the flowers home, and bust dem pads up rite in my bedroom. and whaa. you talkin like you the only man on a come up. and what does age have anything to do wit it? you tryna put the man down by braggin about your scales and theories. niga im in the hood (sorry to say) and i aint got shit rite now (and that probly goes for a few mo heads on here). i gotta work wit what i got. and what i got is a flowers MPC2000 a few mo pieces of equipment, my heart and love for the shit i do. so flowers what u talkin. im doin everything myself cuz. if we love the mpc let us love it. were simply trying to tell you your in the wrong place talkin that stuff bout software. nobody cares.

i agree with you in some points. i do own a mpc and use it all the times. with an software setup an individual can go from idea to cd with one machine. period. there are allot of talented people out there and we all are looking for an egde and if you go to any top of the line studio you will see a mpc (maybe 2) but most studio run pro-tool, cubase, reason, logic and so on with software effects. the mpc alone will not give you that studio power because you need mixer, effect, recording device, cd burning. with the software setup an individual is closer to a real studio enviroment than spending $1000s and $1000s of dollar for hardware. in some cases hardware is better but i would rather laid down a track with my real drumset.



is hardware better than playing a real instrument? is hardware the next step from playing a real instrument? so, software is the next step in the music world. go to any top of line studio and you will see for yourself.

mwalker wrote:i agree with you in some points. i do own a mpc and use it all the times. with an software setup an individual can go from idea to cd with one machine. period. there are allot of talented people out there and we all are looking for an egde and if you go to any top of the line studio you will see a mpc (maybe 2) but most studio run pro-tool, cubase, reason, logic and so on with software effects. the mpc alone will not give you that studio power because you need mixer, effect, recording device, cd burning. with the software setup an individual is closer to a real studio enviroment than spending $1000s and $1000s of dollar for hardware. in some cases hardware is better but i would rather laid down a track with my real drumset.



is hardware better than playing a real instrument? is hardware the next step from playing a real instrument? so, software is the next step in the music world. go to any top of line studio and you will see for yourself.

you know what...i'd hate to agree with you, but sometimes your right wit what u say. especially about the effects software can produce. but i havent worked in a real studio environment YET that only uses software. so i cant support that statement. i will support the fact that software allows you to go further with your music. but it all depends on the person. thats my point. i know people that can rock F.L. and be happy wit what they've written. And on the other hand, i know brothas that wouldnt be shit witout they mp keys and guitar, ya digg? one mans trash...u know the rest....

i aint takin sides, i aint puttin nobody down...i aint even tryna argue cause we'll get nowhere. reat instruments are ALWAYS better then imitations. but for me, it feels so good to get home, boot up my shit and write something amazing using my little bit of shit. you feel me? it may save money buying a computer loaded wit software and plugins, but it takes money to make money. if you like the sound of software, by all means. im addicted to the sound of my mp, my keys, and my 488. and i cant turn my back on it. i cant speak for everybody, but music is my life. besides my daughter and my job. thats the only things i got mayne. and when i bought that mpc, i was amazed at what you could do. even with a 2000. just keep your options open. dont settle just for software. if anything, keep a mix.

[quote="mwalker"]first off, my son is 15 and he is in school and i think you are from the midwest and it is 11:00 am in the east that means that it is 10:00 in the midwest, why arent you in school. [quote]

woah DAD. Shit.

Im sick of all these people that think the MPC is an all in one production, mixing, mastering station. It is a instrument, a drum machine and a sampler, and a sequencer. Thats it. You cant mix down and master on it. We all know this. So why is there a damn argument about how it blows becauses you cant do everything on it. Its all about you and your preferences on what to use. People need to stop this software crusade bulls***. I use both and im happy. This is an MPC forum. Not a reason forum, not a protools forum. AN MPC FORUM. If you feel that you need to tell everyone on here that they are doing it wrong or whatever the hell your point is then get a life. Software is no better then hardware it all can be done on either or with both at the same time. Its all about how comfortable you are with whatever. PCs have downsides. Mem, conflicts, upgrades, software, latceny and hardware got its downsides too. Like no upgrades cept os's sometimes, storage, editing, space, power, and break downs and replacements.

Whatever floats your boat.

binger0 wrote:

mwalker wrote:Whatever floats your boat...

true enough