Reviews and questions about the entry-level MPC500
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By Contra Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:25 am
if i have the mpc at a level that is much louder than what the 500 is currently, then when i plug into a mixer i wont have to turn up the mixer to a higher level which reduces boosting the headroom of the signal creating more boost on the hiss than the signal. its best to have a high signal coming from the mpc then cutting back on the mpc so when u have your mixer signal at unity it will be gravy.
from an engineering standpoint its better that way when seen in the science/math part on paper.
(please dont think im tryin to be cocky or anything cuz i said that engineering thing. keep the peace in the middle east, us 500 users are few and far between.)

pz

By DJ_Mike_Coquilla Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:40 am
sup yall :)

can this be resolved through an OS update? if they ever get to it...

btw, where is the official link to Akai's 500 OS updates?

before i had Scratch Live, i used to frequent Final Scratch 2 like every single day (too many bugs)
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By Upright Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:53 am
Dj_Mike_Coquilla wrote:
can this be resolved through an OS update? if they ever get to it...


I don't think so, an OS update won't change the specifications of the machine, just update it.




Dj_Mike_Coquilla wrote:btw, where is the official link to Akai's 500 OS updates?



Here is the link to the akai-pro site, below is the link within the same site for Mpc 500 OS updates.

www.akai-pro.com

http://www.akaipro.com/supportos.php#MPC500
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By Contra Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:14 am
so crazy update.
i plug the outs of my 500 straight into a pair of krk v4 (small as hell) and to not wake up the neighbors i had the music at barely over a quarter of the main vol. turned up.

wowsers/.

pz

By Lion of Judah Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:54 am
Contra wrote:so crazy update.
i plug the outs of my 500 straight into a pair of krk v4 (small as hell) and to not wake up the neighbors i had the music at barely over a quarter of the main vol. turned up.

wowsers/.

pz

So the volume is fine now? This thread had me worried for a while :o.

Peace.
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By Contra Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:40 pm
Lion of Judah wrote:
Contra wrote:so crazy update.
i plug the outs of my 500 straight into a pair of krk v4 (small as hell) and to not wake up the neighbors i had the music at barely over a quarter of the main vol. turned up.

wowsers/.

pz

So the volume is fine now? This thread had me worried for a while :o.

Peace.


well judging from that, i guess its fine, just the headphones output is not ideally as loud as the other mpc's also.
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By stefski Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:57 am
Am I understanding you right Contra, you are plugging the mpc 500 straight to active monitors? Fine, that may get the level up from the main outs for a live situation. But seriously my problem here is I am recording into Logic through my Motu 828MKII. Levels are silly low.

With main volume set to max and with each pad level INDIVIDUALLY set to a certain sound level (this is a **** setting up for every pad), I can make things audible.

BUT...
...forget about using anything other than full level - which really has everything sounding less like an original compostion and more like just a drum machine..
...forget about sampling via the input since you need maximimum control of the in-levels to avoid distortion - I at least only feel comfortable recording in Audacity..

...which in turn eliminates the use of the mpc 500 since inevitably I need to use it with a computer and which automatically has me using other software to assign programs, edit samples etc..





Do you use templates of some sort to keep each pad to maximum level?
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By stefski Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:59 am
...And also even for a live thing yeah what y'all said on the headroom business and not wanting to have to turn the gain up on a mixer console.
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By Contra Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:42 pm
stefski wrote:Am I understanding you right Contra, you are plugging the mpc 500 straight to active monitors? Fine, that may get the level up from the main outs for a live situation. But seriously my problem here is I am recording into Logic through my Motu 828MKII. Levels are silly low.

With main volume set to max and with each pad level INDIVIDUALLY set to a certain sound level (this is a **** setting up for every pad), I can make things audible.

BUT...
...forget about using anything other than full level - which really has everything sounding less like an original compostion and more like just a drum machine..
...forget about sampling via the input since you need maximimum control of the in-levels to avoid distortion - I at least only feel comfortable recording in Audacity..

...which in turn eliminates the use of the mpc 500 since inevitably I need to use it with a computer and which automatically has me using other software to assign programs, edit samples etc..





Do you use templates of some sort to keep each pad to maximum level?


straight up, i just sit there and mix the levels on the mpc for each and every pad(quick for me) then output i set to about 80% not the full 100%.

then after when im inputting in my mbox i boost as much as possible without peaking in pro tools.

pz
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By SimonInAustralia Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:35 am
stefski wrote:Fine, that may get the level up from the main outs for a live situation. But seriously my problem here is I am recording into Logic through my Motu 828MKII. Levels are silly low.

With main volume set to max and with each pad level INDIVIDUALLY set to a certain sound level (this is a **** setting up for every pad), I can make things audible.
Are you plugging the MPC500 into the MOTU 828mkII front panel mic/guitar/instrument inputs, that have a gain control?

And are you then setting that gain control to give you good levels without clipping?
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By motormind Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:27 am
The output is indeed very low. It's better when you use the headphone out, but still. I don't care that much, since I usually just load everything in the MPC1000 to finish. But it would indeed be nice if the 500 had a decent output level.
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By stefski Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:47 pm
SimonInAustralia wrote:
stefski wrote:Fine, that may get the level up from the main outs for a live situation. But seriously my problem here is I am recording into Logic through my Motu 828MKII. Levels are silly low.

With main volume set to max and with each pad level INDIVIDUALLY set to a certain sound level (this is a **** setting up for every pad), I can make things audible.
Are you plugging the MPC500 into the MOTU 828mkII front panel mic/guitar/instrument inputs, that have a gain control?

And are you then setting that gain control to give you good levels without clipping?


No I don't. It doesn't have any acoustics to it like guitars and mics... Shouldn't this be used just like any other synth? We talked about using outboard gain already.. it increases the noise level. I mean I can see there are workarounds to this. I'm just stating some facts about the 500 having awful output levels. Not that I feel better doing it after I hit submit. :roll:
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By SimonInAustralia Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:36 pm
stefski wrote:
SimonInAustralia wrote:
stefski wrote:Fine, that may get the level up from the main outs for a live situation. But seriously my problem here is I am recording into Logic through my Motu 828MKII. Levels are silly low.

With main volume set to max and with each pad level INDIVIDUALLY set to a certain sound level (this is a **** setting up for every pad), I can make things audible.
Are you plugging the MPC500 into the MOTU 828mkII front panel mic/guitar/instrument inputs, that have a gain control?

And are you then setting that gain control to give you good levels without clipping?


No I don't. It doesn't have any acoustics to it like guitars and mics... Shouldn't this be used just like any other synth? We talked about using outboard gain already.. it increases the noise level. I mean I can see there are workarounds to this. I'm just stating some facts about the 500 having awful output levels. Not that I feel better doing it after I hit submit. :roll:
The mic/guitar/instrument inputs on the front of the MOTU 828mkII are not to do with the types of sound being fed into the unit, they are to do with the levels of those sounds, that's why there are gain controls.

The 828mkII rear inputs without gain controls are for sending line level signals into the unit, at either +4dBu balanced 'professional' line level or at -10dBV unbalanced 'consumer' line level (they can be individually set for either level), which are not instrument level signals like guitars and most synthesizers/drum machines. The rear inputs are for connecting devices with set levels, like an effects unit running at a +4dBu 'professional' line level, or a home stereo CD player running at -10dBV 'consumer' line level, not a device like a synthesizer/drum machine/MPC500/etc. running at a lower instrument level.

You need to have a gain control on inputs that you connect instrument level (guitar/synth/drum machine/etc.) devices to.

Get over your fears of turning the gain up, that's what the gain knobs are for, plug your instruments (like the MPC500) into the front panel inputs and use the gain controls to get a decent signal level into Logic through the 828mkII.

You can not expect to get good signal levels into Logic through the 828mkII by plugging it into the rear panel line level inputs. You might improve the levels by setting those particular inputs to -10dBV 'consumer' level, but you really should be plugging the MPC500 into the front panel inputs and using the gain controls to set the level appropriatly.

It is not the MPC500 fault that you are getting low level signals into Logic, it is your fault for plugging the MPC500 into the incorrect input and therefore not being able to increase the gain up to an appropriate level.

Similarly with mixers and other devices, use the gain control to get a decent level into the device, that's what the gain controls are for!

Also, plugging the MPC500 directly into a pair of KRK monitors is not related to a normal live situation in any way. They are small near-field studio monitors, used for sitting right in front of in a studio, they are not live/PA speakers being used in a live situation.
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By SimonInAustralia Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:26 pm
More on levels, from the Akai specs...

MPC500 Max Output Level +5dBu
MPC1000 Max Output Level +17dBu
MPC2500 Max Output Level +22dBu

...you can not expect the MPC500 to have the same output level as one of the larger/mains powered MPC's.

Therefore, you need to plug it into an input that has gain control, and to set the gain control to give you a good level.

Yes, you will have a worse signal to noise ratio, with a higher noise floor, than the other larger MPC's.

The MPC500 is designed to be a battery powered portable unit, not a main studio device.

If you want good levels directly into a +4 dBu device input without gain control, buy an MPC2500.
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By Contra Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:25 pm
SimonInAustralia wrote:More on levels, from the Akai specs...

MPC500 Max Output Level +5dBu
MPC1000 Max Output Level +17dBu
MPC2500 Max Output Level +22dBu

...you can not expect the MPC500 to have the same output level as one of the larger/mains powered MPC's.

Therefore, you need to plug it into an input that has gain control, and to set the gain control to give you a good level.

Yes, you will have a worse signal to noise ratio, with a higher noise floor, than the other larger MPC's.

The MPC500 is designed to be a battery powered portable unit, not a main studio device.

If you want good levels directly into a +4 dBu device input without gain control, buy an MPC2500.


yea thats possibly my next move.

pz