3000 vs. 2000xl

thinking about picking up one of the two. ive used the 2000xl and loved it, haven't used the 3000. any thoughts from anyone that's used both?

i had the 3000, but i'm using the 2kXL now. I like the 2KXL better, the workflow is so much quicker and you have more useful features than the 3000. Some people like "the sound" of the 3000 better, but to my ears, they both sound the same.

btw, where are you in Boston?

BeatznBooze wrote:i had the 3000, but i'm using the 2kXL now. I like the 2KXL better, the workflow is so much quicker and you have more useful features than the 3000. Some people like "the sound" of the 3000 better, but to my ears, they both sound the same.

btw, where are you in Boston?

ive heard people like the sound of the 3k more too...what's better? the swing? i thought the 2kxl was rediculous. i live at davis sq in somerville...you?

like i said, to my ears, they sound the same. The swing of the 3000, that's just a myth honestly. You can duplicate that swing in any sequencer if you really go deep into it. If you think the 2kxl is ridiculous, the 3k wouldn't be any better as far as features concern. I live in Quincy.

BeatznBooze wrote:like i said, to my ears, they sound the same. The swing of the 3000, that's just a myth honestly. You can duplicate that swing in any sequencer if you really go deep into it. If you think the 2kxl is ridiculous, the 3k wouldn't be any better as far as features concern. I live in Quincy.

word im sold

teh "Myth" about an mpc sounding better then the other is onlty true with the MPC 60 cuz its 12 bit it sounds raw specialy the kicks...

I used the 2000XL for about two years, and then I switched to 3000(LE). I like the 3000 better, and will never switch back. And there is a difference in the sound. I read somewhere that the 3000 has more of the low end, and thats true. I could tell straight away that the sound was different. 2000 is thinner, and the effectboard sounds like cheap plastic. Is'nt it so that the 3000 and 60 has the exactly same A/D D/A converters, but that the 60 saves the samples in 12 bit non linear and the 3000 in 16 bit?

But if you like to see the sound when you are editing you would like the 2000XL. But it is sound you are working with, and you can hear with your ear what you are doing, and I think you can get used to the old school way of chopping and trimming on the 3000 or 60.

More people should buy the 60 or 3000, because its not so hard to work with, and you get different sound than everybody else working on computer and such by getting yourself an older machine. And the 2000XL really dont have so many "new" features you really need, with the new OS-upgrades on the 60 and 3000.

deck daddy wrote:
More people should buy the 60 or 3000, because its not so hard to work with, and you get different sound than everybody else working on computer and such by getting yourself an older machine.

Now, your sound woulnd't be different if everybody ran out and bought a 60/3000.

regarding 2000XL vs. 3000 - truth be told (my opinion and I've owned both) there's not a big difference - I do believe however, that you'll find the 2000XL way easier to work on.
The learning curve of the 3000 is steeper - not because it have more features (wich it don't) but because it's doing everything the oldschool way.
I sold my 2kXL before getting the 3000 so I took a chance. If I had the choise again, to keep my 2kxl or get the 3000 I probably would've kept the 2000 - because the difference is so small.
to me... the biggest difference is the apperance of the machines and the workflow...
No matter what other people say - chopping on the 2000XL is faster and you'll probably be more productive (if you work with a lot of chops)
An experienced 3000 user working on the 3000, would probably chop a sample as quick as a new/avg user working on a 2000 would.

with that beeing said - I wouldn't trade my 3000 back for a 2000XL (again i feel the difference is minor) If I had to consider trading my 3000 it would be for a 4000. But then again, I'm not sure I'd need all the extra features...

wow. this post was a mess - sorry.

does the 3000 let you control the attack and release of the your samples the same way as the 2000xl? the way 2000xl lets you do this this blew my mind. i am used to using the 1k and 2500, which don't let you control attack and release. this feature is sick.

DarkWing wrote:

deck daddy wrote:
More people should buy the 60 or 3000, because its not so hard to work with, and you get different sound than everybody else working on computer and such by getting yourself an older machine.

Now, your sound woulnd't be different if everybody ran out and bought a 60/3000.

regarding 2000XL vs. 3000 - truth be told (my opinion and I've owned both) there's not a big difference - I do believe however, that you'll find the 2000XL way easier to work on.
The learning curve of the 3000 is steeper - not because it have more features (wich it don't) but because it's doing everything the oldschool way.
I sold my 2kXL before getting the 3000 so I took a chance. If I had the choise again, to keep my 2kxl or get the 3000 I probably would've kept the 2000 - because the difference is so small.
to me... the biggest difference is the apperance of the machines and the workflow...
No matter what other people say - chopping on the 2000XL is faster and you'll probably be more productive (if you work with a lot of chops)
An experienced 3000 user working on the 3000, would probably chop a sample as quick as a new/avg user working on a 2000 would.

with that beeing said - I wouldn't trade my 3000 back for a 2000XL (again i feel the difference is minor) If I had to consider trading my 3000 it would be for a 4000. But then again, I'm not sure I'd need all the extra features...

wow. this post was a mess - sorry.

word life nice advice

ROCKNOID wrote:does the 3000 let you control the attack and release of the your samples the same way as the 2000xl? the way 2000xl lets you do this this blew my mind. i am used to using the 1k and 2500, which don't let you control attack and release. this feature is sick.

If you are thinking of the envelope it does. You can fade in/out the sample.

I highly recomend checking both machines manual before deciding.