what if they abolish AUTO chop?

ok fellas

now, i use AUTO often and i like it, but as posted in another thread, it is somewhat imprecise. AND, when you think about it, say you have a 8 bar drum loop you want to slice note by note and make a drum kit out of. odds are, you're going to be able to accomplish this goal with either AUTO or just the SLICE function.

either one gets the job done in the same amount of time, really, because since the AUTO fcn is a bit imprecise. either way you have to go to each start/end point and make sure it's good. and in the end, the chopped sample really depends on your chopping ability - how accurate were YOU and your eyes and ears opposed to your sampler's transient detection?

rinseout pointed this out in the previous thread - how much valuable space does Autochop take up in the OS?

so what do you think - can we get by without autochop? who here would really really miss it?

I would have agreed with abolishing auto chop before yesterday but yesterday i was just **** around wit a drum loop i laid down freestylin a beat on some random shit and put a sample in the auto chop for the 1st time, tweaked the threshold and release and came up wit a chop of the sample that i wouldnt have done on my own W/ like 20 uneven chops and flipped the foundations of a nice little beat so i say keep it just because it led me to something i wouldnt have done on my own. Its cool for experimenting, the unpredictability of it led to an intersting result.

My top vote for something to get rid of is Patch phrase since you could just do this on your own anyway......seems like a function for lazy mf's.
Funny thing is.....I probly wouldve said the same bout auto chop b4 yesterdays lil experiment.

didn't JJ said he would disable the qlink mode because of the grid edit (with cc and q link) has the same function...

i think autochop even if it's not the function i use a lot has to stay in the os, it would be better to get rid of the screen savers option?

i always use slice anyway, so i wouldn't miss the auto. i do think we should keep the screen capture though.

I have never used autochop. Not even once. That being said, some people do and absolutely rely on it. Unless JJ makes custom os's or the idea where the ram is used for additional functions, I think the OS should be left as is. I barely use any of the midi functions. But for me to ask for midi features to be "abolished" in favor of audio effects or better timestretching would be selfish.

yes... good idea NYM... Autochop is useless... being the perfectionist and control freak that I am, (and I'm sure Nym and a bunch of other producers can relate to this)... I don't trust autochop at all. I would rather make my own chops so I can have control over the precise timing of each segment.

Antonym wrote:All in favor of abolishing the AUTOCHOP feature, say I

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EDIT... after reading another thread, I realized that I gave credit to the wrong person... Rinseout was the original gangsta witht he idea to abolish the AutoChop... my bad Rinseout... sorry Nym, you get -1 point.

guys
for non drums, it's dope.
try a two bar stacatto orchestral piece, it chops it up almost perfectly.
DONT TAKE IT OUT!!!!

I would say do not take autochop or anything else out for that matter. If you play with the autochop settings you can get pretty good results.

I am not feeling this new "what can we strip out of the JJ-OS" vibe.

Just like the other thread with the patch phrase thing. I for one use that to give loops / samples a desired tempo and then (auto)chop them. I'm sure there are others that use those functions as well.

We have a good thing here. I'm for perfecting it, but wihout taking usefull stuff out.

Whatever happens i'm hanging on to my favourite stable versions anyway.

i want to keep autoshop only if it can be sent to a track with midi data...
but i wan live without it (using quantize chop)

regardless of the improving possiblities im totally against the removal of auto chop. yeah maybe it doesnt work for me but it would be nice to keep it. And removing auto chop for some lame new function would be bad(read 8 bit sampling,1 gazillion notes or 999 pgms at once) .
All this removing stuff threads is unneccesary. If you had an minimoog would you try to rip the noise circuitry out just beacuse you dont use it? I know that its not the best example but it seems that jj now finally should be able to concentrate on improving the OS. Let him do just that.

the issue is Redundancy, which is most of what i concern myself with regarding removable features. old program edit for example.

autochop really doesn't speed up the process when you have to go through every start/end point and check it to make sure it chopped well - like i said, i use it with drum loops because it gets the chop points in the general correct vicinity, but undoubtedly i go back and adjust the points.

this process is maybe several seconds faster than just doing it manually - if that. chopping manually either with the DIVIDE function (which i do a lot, if you get a loopable sample, you can chop WAY faster than autochop by using divide. see my new thread).

redundancy will cause and is causing the JJ os to miss out on some extra kilobytes of code space. as someone who's been using/testing/loving this os since last june or july (forget when exactly) i have to say i feel at least a LITTLE qualified to illustrate points such as these in which certain functions are either redundant, unnecessary, or both. i think this is the case with AUTO.

likewise, call me presumptuous, but i also feel like i can make honest and well-trodden suggestions to folks who use functions like Patched Phrase and Autochop that would allow them to end up with the exact same end result (or better) while at the same time providing them with more control.

so to folks who have responded to some of my more recent posts with "NO I USE THAT DONT TAKE IT" --> i know this is a stretch but TRUST ME. i would NEVER want to do away with something that i would someday slap myself for, and odds are there's already a way you can do what you've been doing wiht more control and precision.

how much space in kb we get if we kick auto chop or the old programm editor? is there enough for a track mixer?

greetz...

primebeatz wrote:I have never used autochop. Not even once. That being said, some people do and absolutely rely on it. Unless JJ makes custom os's or the idea where the ram is used for additional functions, I think the OS should be left as is. I barely use any of the midi functions. But for me to ask for midi features to be "abolished" in favor of audio effects or better timestretching would be selfish.

hr0 wrote:I would say do not take autochop or anything else out for that matter. If you play with the autochop settings you can get pretty good results.

I am not feeling this new "what can we strip out of the JJ-OS" vibe.

Just like the other thread with the patch phrase thing. I for one use that to give loops / samples a desired tempo and then (auto)chop them. I'm sure there are others that use those functions as well.

We have a good thing here. I'm for perfecting it, but wihout taking usefull stuff out.

Agreed.

Antonym wrote:the issue is Redundancy, which is most of what i concern myself with regarding removable features. old program edit for example.

Example:
To me, grid edit is just another way to look at my drums, but I never use it. Only use step edit, seq edit...so grid edit is redundant for me. It's the same thing with autochop and slice (and surely many other features).
But remove grid edit...? Alotta people wouldn't want that.

Antonym wrote:likewise, call me presumptuous, but i also feel like i can make honest and well-trodden suggestions to folks who use functions like Patched Phrase and Autochop that would allow them to end up with the exact same end result (or better) while at the same time providing them with more control.

Then I wanna call you presumptuous (though I had to look this word up)

I'm sure alotta people could learn something from you, but come on, man. Let people do their sh*t their own way.

@nym... granted you are one of the most qualified and experienced users of the mpc1000 as such you are of course not totally off on this matter. But i dont see what the benefits would be from removing the auto chop function. What would we gain?I look at the mpc as a purely music making instrument and this leads me into thinking that if anythings redundant right now its the "capture screen" dealy. As was the case with pong. It adds absolutely nothing to the music making capacity of the mpc. Yeah its kinda convinient i guess to take a snapshot of stuff and then disscus it over forums but hey we can all read right? Same goes for the splashscreen when we boot up. I dont know if its still there but if it is it has lost its novelty value imho. Regarding the mpc as a music making tool i see no point in having these things. But autochop? If JJ is going to fiddle with the autochop he should ditch the screencap feature and perhaps he could get some room under that cramped hood of the mpc. well thats my two Öre s as we say in swedish.