2k5 - Problems with Layering Drumz

wisdom7 wrote:sorry but i cant beleave that...because the flanged drum happens random
f.e.
i start a 2 bar loop
the first time the layered drum is played everythink is oaky
the second time too
but on the third time there is the flange effect
fourth time nothin
fifth time flange effect
an so on
....and its allways the same note in the sequence you know what im mean ?
hope my english is good enough to let you understand that problem.

Open it up and look at the the notes in the step editor see what's different about the notes that are righjt and the notes that are wrong.
Then replace the wrong with a copy of the right notes and see if it goes away.

i start a 2 bar loop
the first time the layered drum is played everythink is oaky
the second time too
but on the third time there is the flange effect
fourth time nothin
fifth time flange effect
an so on

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because of two bar loop,then the loop is on you can have that FX like drum on a drum ..make It sounds like weird isn't it?

we count 2 bar loop like( 1234 | 1234 ).. Its not enough

2 bar loop? try more then 2 bars ; 16 for ex. And then I think you not gonna get any flanger shit..

I might be wrong..

Sovereign wrote:Open it up and look at the the notes in the step editor see what's different about the notes that are righjt and the notes that are wrong.
Then replace the wrong with a copy of the right notes and see if it goes away.

There's nothing wrong with the notes.

It's just the fact the MPC does not play samples sample-accurately. So sometimes similar samples playing together are phasing. For example if you take an instance of your sample filtered with a Low-Pass and layering it with the original to boost up the lows. And it does also do this if you trigger it only once at the beginning of the sequence. Sometimes when it loops around it phases, sometimes not.

It also has nothing to do with how long the sequence is.

_Stilo_ wrote:
There's nothing wrong with the notes.

It's just the fact the MPC does not play samples sample-accurately. So sometimes similar samples playing together are phasing. For example if you take an instance of your sample filtered with a Low-Pass and layering it with the original to boost up the lows. And it does also do this if you trigger it only once at the beginning of the sequence. Sometimes when it loops around it phases, sometimes not.

I disagree with this.
I layer constantly.
Sometimes I used the layers, sometimes I use the simult and sometimes I just hit a pad along with another pad.
I never get phasing, cancellation or flanging.
I do however take the time to make the samples co-exist.
If I wanted to add a filtered lowpass os a sample to the same sample I first take the lowend out of the original then just drive the lowpass version hard enough to get the desired results.
I would never let the freq I am planning to boost exist in both samples.

Sovereign wrote:

_Stilo_ wrote:
There's nothing wrong with the notes.

It's just the fact the MPC does not play samples sample-accurately. So sometimes similar samples playing together are phasing. For example if you take an instance of your sample filtered with a Low-Pass and layering it with the original to boost up the lows. And it does also do this if you trigger it only once at the beginning of the sequence. Sometimes when it loops around it phases, sometimes not.

I disagree with this.

I experienced it myself. But I did not bother to filter out the low frequencies in the original. Doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

_Stilo_ wrote:
I experienced it myself. But I did not bother to filter out the low frequencies in the original. Doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

It's because you are asking similar sound waves to exist and the same time which tends to cause some form of sound displacement because of the physical interaction of the 2 or more sound waves.
In onther words you are creating a need for sample accurate sample triggering.
If you break the sounds down into freq ranges it acts more like a natural sound and doesn't get into the sample accurate aspect since real sounds of different freq travel at different speeds and have different arrival times.
It also helps to clean up your sounds and allow for better boost or cut of freq.

Yes, I see what you mean. And I also pointed out that this is exactly the problem, and I think that was pointed out before me even as well.

I just wanted to make clear that it is certainly not a problem of the notes in Step Edit, and support this with a little explanation.

As far as filtering out the bottom end just to add it in form of another sample again...if it works for you, fine. Maybe a lot of other people do it as well. I just wouldn't have gotten that idea myself, because to me it looks like just replacing what you removed before. But I'll try it to see if it works better.


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wisdom7 wrote:sorry but i cant beleave that...because the flanged drum happens random
f.e.
i start a 2 bar loop
the first time the layered drum is played everythink is oaky
the second time too
but on the third time there is the flange effect
fourth time nothin
fifth time flange effect
an so on
....and its allways the same note in the sequence you know what im mean ?
hope my english is good enough to let you understand that problem.

I solved this by manually going into step edit and placing say a snare on 2:1:02 instead of layering it or playing it on the 2:1:00
It worked..lol. Hope that made sense.. It takes a lil longer but hey.. How bad do you want it there?

this thread would make a good sticky