Dig and Sample Methods

dj e.d.e wrote:are you talking about folders in your zip drive for your MPC or are you literaley talking folders and storing your records in them?

i dont originize the records i sampled but they are pretty close to , to some originizing i just throw them in a pile of soul breaks section and rock sections, yeah the notes help out when you need to get back to a record,at least for me.

No worries.

I was just trying to find a way to organize my CF cards with files. I think my organization scheme is going to be by instruments, seems the most logical I think.

At first I was going to do samples from individual albums in a folder with the album names as the folders title but that seems a$$backwards the more I think about it.

i do a scratch song with the samples in my 1k
making sure the tempo is labeled
use 12 inches for scratches on words and phrases
45 b sides for samples
i then disguise the samples by playing guitar, bass, keyboard
over the track so that just the melody of the sample comes through
and nothing is stolen musically from the sampled track besides
a few "notes" in a scale of the music

also, if you look at the surface of your record, you can often spot some of the breaks.

note the lines on the vinyl

I just listen for sounds. Weird instruments. Rarely do I use loops and just add drums; I get no satisfaction from a beat created that way but if it's dope it dope. Try to listen to the whole record if you can. I usually do this while I'm on the Internet.. turn the record up while your taking a dump, cleaning, cooking, etc. There are times when needle dropping is appropriate tho!

Those of u that only listen to intro's and skip through rest are gonna miss SOOOO many breaks its crazy (a 5 / 10 second bit 6mins and 4 secs into a jazz track which is 12 mins might have the most amazin bit u'll miss), i dont understand how peeps fuction like that to be honest. Alot of the time with the real dope sh!t theres much better breaks hidden midway through tracks then the intros anyway, and the intros are the ones usually used by so many peeps who do the same as u instead of the heads who listen right through.

Def not the best example but for instance, the Ahmad Jamal track 'I love Music' is the best piano break ever, almost 8 mins long and every single bit just sounds pure hiphop, u could loop or chop ANY bit throughout the track and it would sound dope as f**k... PETE ROCK used a bit around 6mins 45secs in (for nas, the world is yours), not sure exactly if thats the spot and cant be bothered to listen and count right now lol, now although the whole break is equaly amazin and could be used all diff ways, i had given copys of the break to various peeps and none of them realized it was used in the nas track even tho they'd been samplin it.. simply coz they too lazy to listen through the track and pay attention.

And to answer about how do peeps work with things once they find somin, I myself use somin when it jumps out at me as i listen, because diff moments / days u will hear things diff, so i try use things at the right time when they jump out a certain way..

yep theres no easy way round lol

just listen to the record. Can't be a bad thing though (unless the record is total shit with one nice bit in the middle lol)

jnorth wrote:yep theres no easy way round lol

just listen to the record. Can't be a bad thing though (unless the record is total **** with one nice bit in the middle lol)

ahh yeah.. i almost threw in bin some wack records before.. but before i did i put it on to show one of my boys how wack it was, and needle dropped half way through onto a DOPE bit which i ended up makin one of my fav tracks from lol..

Gotta listen fully to that sh!t, coz u NEVER know where the dopest 5 secs u ever heard in ur life gonna be

you have to take your time with this!

don't you know everytime you buy a record you are investing in part of musical education!

usually if I really enjoy a record I like to find out who the players are on the record and who produced it. I also like to find out what was going on in the artists career at that time, sometimes it gives me more insight into why the record was made or why a song was written the way it was.

Think of it as painting, how can you have success with translating your idea (the beat) if you can't mix colors?

I think it depends what types of record you are listening to. If it's Jazz, you may have to listen to the whole thing a few times to see what u like. If it's an old soul/r&b type record then I suggest (of course) listen to the beginning and see if anything jumps out at you and if you like the sound/vibe. If you are feelin the song in any way, listen to the whole thing and go from there. In my opinion, it would be a waste of your production time to listen to every second of every record (mainly for the soul records that have too much of drums going on, but not so much with strictly instrumental music).

c0mplex wrote:Def not the best example but for instance, the Ahmad Jamal track 'I love Music' is the best piano break ever, almost 8 mins long and every single bit just sounds pure hiphop, u could loop or chop ANY bit throughout the track and it would sound dope as f**k... PETE ROCK used a bit around 6mins 45secs in (for nas, the world is yours), not sure exactly if thats the spot and cant be bothered to listen and count right now lol, now although the whole break is equaly amazin and could be used all diff ways, i had given copys of the break to various peeps and none of them realized it was used in the nas track even tho they'd been samplin it.. simply coz they too lazy to listen through the track and pay attention.

Hahaha 'I love music' sooo true... I know nuff people who would of got all impatient and missed that sample, and loads of others in that track.

Love that tune tho, I found a nice lickle loop around 04:30+ ..yeah smooth lil number!!

TennesseePimp865 wrote:In my opinion, it would be a waste of your production time to listen to every second of every record (mainly for the soul records that have too much of drums going on, but not so much with strictly instrumental music).

U still learn a massive deal from listenin, and dont u enjoy the records u dig outside of samplin? listen and enjoyin the original etc?

Also u mention about drums goin on and not so much strickly instrumental.. dont limit urself to only choppin bits with no drums, u should be choppin bits with drums behind them as well and sequencin right so the chops work with ur drums etc, ie: any melody chop with a kick in goes over ur kick, any melody chop with a snare in goes over ur snare, and any inbetween bits and hi hat bits can go between them etc, plenty of hiphop is made like this, not just by usin the open melody bits..

Gadget wrote:

c0mplex wrote:Def not the best example but for instance, the Ahmad Jamal track 'I love Music' is the best piano break ever, almost 8 mins long and every single bit just sounds pure hiphop, u could loop or chop ANY bit throughout the track and it would sound dope as f**k... PETE ROCK used a bit around 6mins 45secs in (for nas, the world is yours), not sure exactly if thats the spot and cant be bothered to listen and count right now lol, now although the whole break is equaly amazin and could be used all diff ways, i had given copys of the break to various peeps and none of them realized it was used in the nas track even tho they'd been samplin it.. simply coz they too lazy to listen through the track and pay attention.

Hahaha 'I love music' sooo true... I know nuff people who would of got all impatient and missed that sample, and loads of others in that track.

Love that tune tho, I found a nice lickle loop around 04:30+ ..yeah smooth lil number!!

Yeah man, that tracks too good.. so many bits to sample, and even just to listen, plus sounds hiphop all on its own, amazin piece of music

i buy records

go home

sit at mpc

turn it at

put a record on (TWO THINGS CAN HAPPEN HERE - i'll either sit and listen to records.. just chill and listen to good shit.. or -ill try and find a sample (skipping around, etc) till i find something to work with)

i then usually mess with the sample a bit.. lay it down on the pads.. get a loop goin, then find some more samples on other records to layer on top of it

i never save samples for later use

c0mplex wrote:

TennesseePimp865 wrote:In my opinion, it would be a waste of your production time to listen to every second of every record (mainly for the soul records that have too much of drums going on, but not so much with strictly instrumental music).

U still learn a massive deal from listenin, and dont u enjoy the records u dig outside of samplin? listen and enjoyin the original etc?

Also u mention about drums goin on and not so much strickly instrumental.. dont limit urself to only choppin bits with no drums, u should be choppin bits with drums behind them as well and sequencin right so the chops work with ur drums etc, ie: any melody chop with a kick in goes over ur kick, any melody chop with a snare in goes over ur snare, and any inbetween bits and hi hat bits can go between them etc, plenty of hiphop is made like this, not just by usin the open melody bits..

Gadget wrote:

c0mplex wrote:Def not the best example but for instance, the Ahmad Jamal track 'I love Music' is the best piano break ever, almost 8 mins long and every single bit just sounds pure hiphop, u could loop or chop ANY bit throughout the track and it would sound dope as f**k... PETE ROCK used a bit around 6mins 45secs in (for nas, the world is yours), not sure exactly if thats the spot and cant be bothered to listen and count right now lol, now although the whole break is equaly amazin and could be used all diff ways, i had given copys of the break to various peeps and none of them realized it was used in the nas track even tho they'd been samplin it.. simply coz they too lazy to listen through the track and pay attention.

Hahaha 'I love music' sooo true... I know nuff people who would of got all impatient and missed that sample, and loads of others in that track.

Love that tune tho, I found a nice lickle loop around 04:30+ ..yeah smooth lil number!!

Yeah man, that tracks too good.. so many bits to sample, and even just to listen, plus sounds hiphop all on its own, amazin piece of music

hahaaaa i've sampled that piano too and i NEVER noticed that it was used in that nas song

wow

1. Lay drums.
2. Look for dope stuff through records.
2. Sample dope stuff to computer.
3. Chop up or loop dope stuff.
4. Look for more dope stuff for spicing up purposes.
5. Finalize dope stuff and make dope beat.

risch - are you talking about actually sampling the records and storing saved samples. if so i dont do this practice at all. i keep notes and only sample the ish when im gonna use it. prolly a slow way of getting a sample when you need it but i find kicking the record on a listening to the sample with your track gives you a better idea of how you flip it. ie if you sample a clean bar of an instrument then go back and use it later, you might be missing an unclear version of the same sample that works beauty in your song.

i keep my unrised vinyl in a pile unfiled then theyre to hand to sample, then file em when flipped - almost forces you to use unused stuff. then when im stuck i go back to older filed stuff and listen again