mpc scratching

c0mplex wrote:from the start

rappers delight is not the start of hip hop

juxt wrote:

c0mplex wrote:from the start

rappers delight is not the start of hip hop

wtf?? where the f**k did that come from? hahaa

juxt wrote:

Chill dude. not everyone has access too, or money too buy records, mixer, amp, turntables, needles and all the other sh**e that goes with it.

my first set up was a
-$25 80s mixer
-dusted turntable from the attic
-dollar bin records
-cheap stereo with inputs
and i was set

a lot of kids have the attitude that they need to spend at least a grand just to spin some vinyl.

Yeah u dont think i started on set ups like that and worse.. and where did i tell peeps to put out for all that? i didnt at all. At one point i was homeless makin beats on a stolen laptop under stair wells in flat blocks and sh!t. Its the reason and time i lost my turntables and everything.. I still put work in and built myself back up. But that aint got nothin to do with it.

Thing is learnin to scratch and sh!t, and bein able to is gonna be much more rewardin for peeps, and a much more fun learnin process.. so i dont see why so many people advice the oposite to make somin "sound like scratchin" via sample manipulation on an mpc, what it comes down to more then anything is they will be missin out on a big aspect (the scratchin and spinnin records side), which in turn would also help them a great deal with theyre beats.

And before u say somin silly like "well would be same peeps learnin instruments instead of samplin" that aint the case, coz when makin hiphop the style is totally different, the chopped sound and what u can make from some thing else, how u can flip it into a diff style (totally diff in cases) and give it a certain feel etc.. totally different from composing etc, and a big difference in feeling.. and end of the day that IS hiphop.

wtf?? where the f**k did that come from? hahaa

last post on page 2, maby i misunderstood what anon_twist or you said.

Yeah u dont think i started on set ups like that and worse.. and where did i tell peeps to put out for all that?

that wasnt directed at you. i was talking to geronimohigh. and yeah i agree with what your saying, but i do think your taking a cute little mpc trick too serious, that trick is a joke to me

juxt wrote:

that wasnt directed at you. i was talking to geronimohigh. and yeah i agree with what your saying, but i do think your taking a cute little mpc trick too serious, that trick is a joke to me

Oh ok..and yeah ur right about the takin it to serious lol.. im gonna leave it alone now

nice video thanks

c0mplex wrote:

DoNutS wrote:
Ps : It's funny when some people blame others who are scratching with a mpc while they cut with cd turntables.


ALL WE CARE IS ABOUT HOW IT SOUNDS RIGHT ?

I used to spin turntables but had sh!t go on, once i got settled again i needed to get some tables but i was more focused on makin beats and i got my cd table given to me for some beats so i wont complain good for hooks and as a production tool. Its still like cuttin with record, still same hand movements and fader movements, infact its harder coz all movements are majorly scaled down due to small platter, and also fact that platter doesnt move.. but i deal with it, thats totally diff to what was bein discussed here.

And some of u dont seem to get this.. u dont seem to get diggin, and the difference between usin somin u found diggin and flippin it, and the bullsh!t u lot talkin about samplin from hiphop records, theres a big difference there.. real shame because ur missin out on alot and its all progression.

Im done, do what u like still not like im gonna stop anybody, but remember when peeps give u props on how tight ur drums are, just remember thats some one elses, diggin, choppin, pitchin, layering, filtering, eq, compression skills.. Even if u "flip theyre sound" they already hiphop drums so u dont have to do f**k all, nothin compared to the work u can put in to make ur own drums sound tight from standard sampled and chopped (unprocessed) drums (even **** thin drums in cases) . Its much more rewarding to go about it properly, and u will develope ur own sound, from what u learn to dig, how u work ur eq.. compression.. layerin etc etc etc, otherwise samplin drums from hiphop records u just missin out

wrong thread...you must be confused. the one about digging for drums was the OTHER thread that you were flaming out in. this one is about mpc scratching. you were saying how wack it is...then only to admit that you don't even scratch on vinyl, but on CDs!!!! that's kinda wack...and hypocritical, don't you think? hip hop wasn't founded on scratching on CDs!!! lol

mikespits wrote: you were saying how wack it is...then only to admit that you don't even scratch on vinyl, but on CDs!!!! that's kinda wack...and hypocritical, don't you think? hip hop wasn't founded on scratching on CDs!!! lol

I still learnt on vinyl and used vinyl for years, cd turntable is now an easy replacement and more of a production tool for hooks etc.. but the actions are still the same, still cuttin with dj mixer, movin my hand same as i would on turntables.. its just harder due to the downscale of the platter, u gotta be real precise and small movements while keepin fluent.

c0mplex wrote:

Antonym wrote:
wow. how can you possibly say that and think sampling is ok? don't find the quick way around it, complex. that's bullsht. go learn EVERY INSTRUMENT IN THE WORLD so you never have to sample again. stop regressing the musical artform!

"scratching" on the mpc is the first step toward a larger skill that is largely unique from scratching. go drink you some chamomile and relaxxxxxx

Im not sayin samplin is, im sayin fakin scratches is and samplin other peeps hiphop and not diggin for original samples is.

When it comes to samplin propa records and original samples peeps have dug... thats what progresses the artform, and stops it from becomin stale.

Nuff peeps pride themselfs on theyre diggin, its as big part of it (and can be bigger) then actual sequencin, it defines ur style in the sense of what u learn to dig for and the type of sounds and styles u dig, just as much as how u use them. And its wack when kids come along and just sample that sh!t from other hiphop... and i dont understand how peeps are actually defendin that.

Also I play trumpet (have for 15 years), i played in orchestra's and sh!t.. and played guitar since 11 years back. And can obviously read and write music (bass and treble clef). I have a very indepth understandin in music. (When u mention about takin time to learn instruments). And i been f**kin with records, turntables and beats since 10 years back (turntables longer then beats).

"scratchin" on the mpc is def not a step towards anything good. If peeps want scratchin on theyre tracks they should hook up with a real dj and incorperate them or learn themselfs.

As for the "findin the quick route", thats all these peeps are doing, tryin to take quick routes instead of learning properly and puttin in the work. Which i dont understand why they do because learning in the fun part (everythings always a learnin curve).. but they just want a quick easy way all the time.

c0mplex wrote:Why not get a turntable and mixer... and learn to scratch, fakin that sh!t is bullsh!t.

Is it really that much trouble to learn? and fake scratchin just wack, not only sound wack but the principle, especially when dj's are the backbone of hiphop.

U should be enjoyin the learnin process.. not findin "quick" ways around it and fakin sh!t.

k well i just got back frm a lil vacation n jus so u kno i have turntables lol

i think it's safe to say that at present, the world of scrathcing - in terms of inovation - is safer than the world of beatmaking. more people buy turntables than samplers so the foundations of the dj are safe for a while.

if someone wants to emulate a scrath with there mpc fair enough - it wont sound the best

if a dj want to beat juggle to create a beat fair enough - it wont sound the best

hey ho, im off to learn the banjo

c0mplex wrote:

mikespits wrote: you were saying how wack it is...then only to admit that you don't even scratch on vinyl, but on CDs!!!! that's kinda wack...and hypocritical, don't you think? hip hop wasn't founded on scratching on CDs!!! lol

I still learnt on vinyl and used vinyl for years, cd turntable is now an easy replacement and more of a production tool for hooks etc.. but the actions are still the same, still cuttin with dj mixer, movin my hand same as i would on turntables.. its just harder due to the downscale of the platter, u gotta be real precise and small movements while keepin fluent.

yeah, I get it...just don't really give a sh*t though. I was just f*ckin' with you. I just remember that when CD turntables first came out that all of purist hip hop djs steered clear of them because they thought it would ruin the craft and sh*t on the history of how this all started...now look! Kid Capri (of all djs) doesn't even use vinyl for shows anymore, he uses a laptop, mp3's and usb tables (I know cause I saw him live in NYC with Rakim).

my point is that sh*t changes sometimes. and technology allows people to perform task they wouldn't normally be able to. no sense in trying to fight that sh*t...get down, or lay down!!!

I find it disappointing that a brother posts an honest question and instead of enlightenment, folks get in return, egocentric views from pious buster who soap box like their the only one keep'n it real. I find all to often "peeps" would rather offer cynacle sentiment rather than actually help ya. I think dude was initially interested in finding out how to pull off a really cool trick that, i would be willing to bet, has not been covered on this forum (I could be wrong). Just a thought considering its a nice change from the normal Q and A. i thought the utube joint was dope. Thanks for showing me something new I hadn't considered before. I feel for ya Young G., while I dont have an answer for you, I do have some sampled scratches that some friends and I put together if your interested (for fun since we love it and few of us are getting rich, no one i know anyway). You got decks so your probably cool on that but just in case. Just PM me if you want em. peace.

Kd wrote:I find it disappointing that a brother posts an honest question and instead of enlightenment, folks get in return, egocentric views from pious buster who soap box like their the only one keep'n it real. I find all to often "peeps" would rather offer cynacle sentiment rather than actually help ya. I think dude was initially interested in finding out how to pull off a really cool trick that, i would be willing to bet, has not been covered on this forum (I could be wrong). Just a thought considering its a nice change from the normal Q and A. i thought the utube joint was dope. Thanks for showing me something new I hadn't considered before. I feel for ya Young G., while I dont have an answer for you, I do have some sampled scratches that some friends and I put together if your interested (for fun since we love it and few of us are getting rich, no one i know anyway). You got decks so your probably cool on that but just in case. Just PM me if you want em. peace.

ukin fay bro. theres a lot of that, no help for us beginners.
You can use footpedals too control some of the functions too keep your hands free for mpc "scratchin". i've been doin it with em and so much more fun.......

damn never even thought of that. I heard of folks usin footpedals to trigger the sounds on the mpc but not for scratchin and stuff. i bet thats fun

Yeah . dont know about the old OS , but with the new one theres heaps of options. Note repeat is the one, all ya have too chnge is the timing, which ya do too suit without tying up one hand. yeah. footpedals