Sold my MPC... :(

I made the switch to the MV-8000 from the MPC 3000 over a year ago. Then after 6 months switched to an MPC 2000XL, and now back to a 3000. Don't be suprised if your back on the MPC.

What I hated about eh MV and you'll see its the number one complaint is the swing/feel of the machine itself. My drums felt cold. It didn't have that MPC swing - which some people seem to notice more than others. Oh and I hate Rza's new shit I think he fell off so its no inspiration to me that he gets paid to hype it. Long live the MPC.

For the last time, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the MV's timing.

NO, it is not the "MPC 8000" it is a MV

It works differently and has different quantize functions. If you're having timing issues it's because of one of 3 things:

1)You have no timing

2)You're using it like a MPC. It's not a MPC

3)You're an idiot.


Seriously, this shouldn't even be a debate anymore. The people that know their MV's will all tell you there's no timing issues. The ONLY people that say otherwise are people that just haven't spent enough time on the MV and gave up. It's a complex machine..especially compared to a mpc, and most people aren't learn it over night. Sorry, but there aren't menu options like "DO IT" in a MV.

Just go over to MvNation and listen to people's tracks if you're stuck on this timing thing.

MV nation is where this gets debated the most, I've read all the froums. I don't care how "stupid" or ignorant to the fact. The usual defense is the PPQ settings are by default so much greater then what the MPC can do, so you get a diffrent feel. Theres a reason why these sell so cheaply on ebay, everyone is selling! I used the MV for a year, every day and studied the MV nation forums every other day. I made some tight beats to, not saying it useless. BUT if you go through MV Nations myspace pages or wahtever....80% have that robotic MV drum feel to them, its a good machine I miss it but not for its feel. Long live the MPC. Its not even an issue of reading and ebing technical, looking at the manual ect.....I can feel it everytime I lay my drums...MV is rigid.

I was actually considering selling my 2500 and getting an MV-8000. I dunno, it just seems like for the price they are going for on eBay you're getting alot of bang for your buck. I could literally probably sell my 2500 and not have to drop a dime for the MV-8000 and make at least a good $800. It just seems almost too good to be true and this also makes me feel kind of cautious and reluctant to do so. In spite of the 8800 coming out why are they going so cheap now on eBay???

It just seems like the MV has tons of more features and flexibility with sample compatibility. It wouldn't make any sense that the value of them dropped all of a sudden.

I'm not stupid enough to hate on the MPC. I luv the MPC and it is a great sequencer. I too made the switch and have not regretted it one bit. I traded in a 1000, so it was a little bit easier than if I came from a 2500 or 4000. The sequencer is dope as shit, and you have to dig into the quantize settings. There is a couple of settings that will have your drums knocking. I record guitar straight into the mv(when I have a player) in song or pattern mode. I only track out to Protools, and I prefer to work this way. Does this make it better than the MPC. Not at all. And I use to walk in GC and clown the shit out of the MV. I sat down one day in a loal shop (not GC) and was ****' hooked. And the 808 and SP kits are the **** truth. If I knew then what I know now about roland's sounds,I could have saved a ton of money. But is it better than an Akai MPC 4000. I don't think so. It is more of a DAW than a 4000 with excellent Mastering tools straight out of Roland's stndalone tracker's. The 4000' compressor's , like all Akai' shit is 2nd to none. Both have their strong points. And if Akai ever comes out with a workstation, I will buy that shit in a 2nd. But the MV is hard as ****.


PS The Old Sampler feature is a classic. Instead of investing in a SP. I sample in at 12 bit.

i just watched a video of mike acosta demostrating the new realtime non-destructive quantize feature. Basically, this means you can turn off timing, make a 4 bar drumloop, then sit there and while its playing back adjust the swing and or grid alignment on only the notes you want or all of it, and don't have to worry about it erasing the old feel. Does that make sense? Anyhow, I'm not worried about losing my sense of rhythm I think I'll be ok.

I go pick it up in 1 hour I'll know soon after that.

indivisibleProductions wrote:For the last time, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the MV's timing.

NO, it is not the "MPC 8000" it is a MV

It works differently and has different quantize functions. If you're having timing issues it's because of one of 3 things:

1)You have no timing

2)You're using it like a MPC. It's not a MPC

3)You're an idiot.


Seriously, this shouldn't even be a debate anymore. The people that know their MV's will all tell you there's no timing issues. The ONLY people that say otherwise are people that just haven't spent enough time on the MV and gave up. It's a complex machine..especially compared to a mpc, and most people aren't learn it over night. Sorry, but there aren't menu options like "DO IT" in a MV.

Just go over to MvNation and listen to people's tracks if you're stuck on this timing thing.

Yea i don't get that "swing" issue either. I just thought it was all up to the person infront of the machine that made it work. but i guess not.. But i've never had a problem with timing issues on the MV tho. Or anything else.

Smoove03 wrote:i just dont understand the hype about the mv8800....

i guess i just dont know enough about it......

well, how do you like it? I hope it pays off in the end, man. i dont think i could part wit my 2k

The hype is for people that aren't use to working on a roland 2480 that's all an MV is a 2480 with drum pads the 2480 was the first in the roland line with the vga out ect... that the MV has don't get me wrong I like roland products I have several but the MV sucks and that's why you can get one so easy and cheap plus akai should've put a patend on the 3000's vga out when they had the chance

indivisibleProductions wrote:For the last time, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the MV's timing.

NO, it is not the "MPC 8000" it is a MV

It works differently and has different quantize functions. If you're having timing issues it's because of one of 3 things:

1)You have no timing

2)You're using it like a MPC. It's not a MPC

3)You're an idiot.


Seriously, this shouldn't even be a debate anymore. The people that know their MV's will all tell you there's no timing issues. The ONLY people that say otherwise are people that just haven't spent enough time on the MV and gave up. It's a complex machine..especially compared to a mpc, and most people aren't learn it over night. Sorry, but there aren't menu options like "DO IT" in a MV.

Just go over to MvNation and listen to people's tracks if you're stuck on this timing thing.

they have a check waiting for you over at Roland

you'd be surprised how many companies that pay people for posting good things about their products on message boards and such.
it's easy promotion on a lower cost-basis.
not saying you're hired by roland or anything, indivisible. don't get it wrong

the only thing wrong as far as i can see about the mv is the lack of 2 midi ins and 4 midi outs. it only has 1 midi in and 2 out. which makes working with synthesizers and synching to recording software not possible.
i guess this is fixed by the harddisk recording possibilities.

Ok now I'm really starting to consider selling my 2500 and getting an MV instead. The MV just seems to have tons of features and non-destructive tweaks that can be played around with in real time. I know I can do most of that stuff on my computer and some of that stuff on the 2500 but considering how much the 2500 goes for and how much I essentially paid for it, it just seems like on paper the MV seems superior. I could probably sell my 2500 (with all the upgrades and extra stuff I bought for it) and get the MV-8800 on eBay without dropping an extra dime or even get the MV-8000 and earn some extra change.

yeah so I got my 8800 earlier. Haven't made it all the way through the manual yet, but so far its really **** dope, a huge upgrade in terms of options and depth compared to the XL (RIP). Within 5 minutes of opening it I had made a drumloop with a piano part and scratched a melody over the top of it. It is obviously a different setup than akai's, which will take getting used to, and I really need to get the VGA as that will make it a lot easier navigating with just the mouse. The pads probably aren't as good as the XL's, but i'm already getting used to them, so maybe thats just me not being as familar with them.

I just took a 3 hour break while writing this cause i got sucked in.

Either way its this machine is pretty dope, I can't wait to get into it more. So far this is obviously a large upgrade from my 2000xl, and my friend is now gonna sell his MPC (CHECK OUT EBAY RIGHT NOW!!! AKAI 2000xl MCD) to get one. If you're using live audio I don't see why you wouldn't want this for a one in all machine to improve your workflow. Adding elements with the turntable live is very easy and cool. I'll write more later perhaps... Macros

Do you find the MV alot more complicated compared to an MPC? Do you think there's a steep learning curve on the unit?

Have you tried the lo-fi effect on it? How accurate to 12-bit sampling would you say it is? Does it emulate the SP1200 at least somewhat accurately?

How's the workflow? Do you have to go through tons of button pushes to accomplish things?

Its definately more complicated, but I can still find a sample on my record and get sampled and chopped in moments, then put into the loop. It DOES have a steeper learning curve, but its only because they're are so many more options. As a semi-intelligent human I would never let anything like a steep learning curve stop me from getting something, they normally pay off more in the end. Basically I'm not worried at all, I've spent one day with it and I've already got the basicas down without even reading the manual much.

The lo-fi effect is cool, there are different paramaters on it so I don't know how accurately it EMULATES the sp1200 (capitalized for emphasis, it is just emulating it meaning it will never be the same), but you can route the effect to go through the input so everything you sample will have that lo-fi feel. That's a tough one, you'll have to make up your own opinion on that. I recorded a mixdown from my song i made (a track of different patterns put together with a scratch track of audio over the top) and sat there and tweaked out the lo-fi effect over the top of it as it recorded, made hella strange sounds. i don't understand the MFX yet, there are 4 different auxs to route too, along with the input and masters but I can only seem to use one at a time. Not an issue if you resample but it does seem like i should be able to use more than 1 effect at a time. Manual time.

Workflow seems like it will be better at the mpc for what i want to do. in pattern mode it is pretty much the same as the mpc, but the song mode seems 100 times better than the mpcs. The menus do get deep and you do have to push a lot of buttons to get there, fortunately the color screen is pretty to look at and I don't mind. However the VGA monitor is supposed to make things much smoother by allowing you to right click and bring open shortcuts and shit like that, so once i get one i should be set. Anyway, this thing is a beast, and i don't regret getting it at all. If you do your proper research before you get it so you know what you're buying you should be happy.

As for timing I don't know what people have been talking about. you can either quantize when you record... or after you record... or not at all.

beets wrote:

Macros wrote:But basically I'm getting it because RZA said it was cool