Forum to discuss all matters relating to the MPC1000 and MPC2500 operating systems created by 'JJ' (all versions).
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By synthburn Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:12 pm
stop domestic violins

By earwolf Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:39 pm
Antonym wrote:haha link didn't work and i'm very curious


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By tomviolence Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:54 pm
don't hate on tha strings! :D

there is a big difference between wannabe orchestral bombastic strings, and some tasteful Curtis Mayfield-type ish. i love me some tight string arrangements, stuff like the Temptations "Papa Was A Rolling Stone" extended version. Norman Whitfield--much respect due.

but that's all off-topic...this was about the finer points of bit reduction.
:wink:
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By joeybells Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:58 pm
sorry 2 take it offtopic again, but Nym, I'm feeling that beat. very nice!

By stale bread Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:00 pm
Antonym wrote:actually it's not so much innovative haha i just think it sounds good but here, break my heart and be honest - tell me if it sounds like a big bag of hot air, too much bravado n bullsht

http://excommence.com/nym-THEBRINK.mp3

this is just a loop of the 8 bars
there's an intro and a switchup to a different violin sample (much different than this one, this is like cloudbursting wrath of gods type stuff, whereas the other is like dancing devils)

but please tell me about it.

also note that 12 bit 11025 sample rate...


I hear Falco on the mic and see puffy in the background playin the violin on some rock me puffydeus type stuff.
I will tell you this, you do strings better than i could ever do but also I wouldn't do them if I could.
so not a matter of talent just taste... not mine but string lovers should enjoy.
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By jbmbeatz Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:02 pm
Antonym wrote:ALSO it's a direct resample out the main outs so it sounds a bit weaker and less full than the actual but enough excuses


Yeah I noticed that the sound was weaker when I resampled internally thur the main outs why is that?
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By nvisiblebeats Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:02 pm
this is just a loop of the 8 bars
there's an intro and a switchup to a different violin sample (much different than this one, this is like cloudbursting wrath of gods type stuff, whereas the other is like dancing devils)

but please tell me about it.

also note that 12 bit 11025 sample rate...[/quote]

I like it (the beat). Keep going with it.
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By Antonym Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:21 am
Yeah I noticed that the sound was weaker when I resampled internally thur the main outs why is that?


i dunno. i just use it for quick playback purposes to make an mp3. something about it doesn't "knock as hard" (can't believe i am catching myself saying that)

I hear Falco on the mic and see puffy in the background playin the violin on some rock me puffydeus type stuff.


stale, i just about fell out of my seat laughing when i read this. thanks for that. i totally see where you're coming from. luckily, my emcee has put together some really really good lyrics for this - raps about the doom of humankind, cynical and amusing with beautiful imagery

so i do the dance, endtime comedian
hug my comfort like waving to friends i'll never see again
still i'm doing pull ups in the rain without a day to waste
became a futile messiah to train a failed race


so we'll see how it comes off. it's appropriate "end of the world" stuff.

back on topic, as i said the strings here were downsampled and the result was that same old beautiful low sampling rate crystalline noise i have come to love. i've never had a 3000, sp1200, or s950 but this is all i really wanted anyway - this sound makes me just as happy.

said it already but 4.70 is my favorite update since the jj os first came out i think. simply amazing. very stable, too...
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By le rat Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:57 am
i m not a hater and i love JJ os but am i the only one not totaly conviced by the bit reduction?

compared to the s950, on a whole beat (drums + samples) the 8bit 22khz sounds close.

only for the drums, the JJ reduction didn t convinced me on kicks and hats but it is not so bad on snares.

anyway in the s950 you don t have that kind of aliasing the sp1200 has and the JJ does at 11khz.

i d like to know advices from sp1200 owners too.
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By nvisiblebeats Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:27 pm
Did you sample at 45+ then slow the samples down? Did you use any filters? The s-950 has a real "filtered" sound to it. Not much aliasing.
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By Antonym Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:28 pm
i've never loved the sound of bit conversion on drums so much, maybe on a clap every now and then but typically i leave them all at 16 bit. it's mainly the lead sample that i like to make crispy

but i'd be interested in hearing side by side comparisons

By roxstar Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:58 pm
"only for the drums, the JJ reduction didn t convinced me on kicks and hats but it is not so bad on snares."

Play with the settings a little more. With the some of the old samplers, you don't have options like the 2500 does to shape your sound (filters, normalize re-sampling) The bit reduction allows you to dial in your desired grime. At first I wasn't convinced either, but the more I use it, the more I like it, but then again, I like any sampler that can muddy up a sound. Dirt is dirt.
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By Juta Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:00 pm
the bitconverter is sooo dope... opens up a new world of possibilities!

By dreadnutz Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:03 pm
compared to the s900 there is no punch on jjos with bit reduction.
i have sampled the same beat with my s900 and then with the 1k + bitreduction.
bitreduction is at 8 bits with half bandwith the closest sound to the old 12bit sampler (i also own a emax, s300) but as i said: NO PUNCH, no smooth, warm sound....

nice try from jj, but there are tons of plugs that do better emulation (even for free)
try: http://mda.smartelectronix.com/
DEGRADE
for example
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By Antonym Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:16 pm
i wouldn't want a bit converter to also apply that kind of EQ and other stuff for me...i'd just want it to do as it is asked, convert sample rate and bit depth.