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Roland MV series -Timing issue?

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By showbot Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:45 am
indivisibleProductions wrote:haha, so this is how we judge gear now..??? If we can't walk up to it and start making a track within a hour then the machine has "horrible functionality" ???

Wow, some of ya'll cats are something else...

By Prophacee Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:19 am
I guess my vote would be to move this post to the MV site. I've used them both. Its best to try sh!t out. I bought my MV, and then got a 2500. MV has more features and can be made to sound real good. When I compare the tracks I made with the MV in the time that I had it, with the tracks I created with the MPC in a comparable time, I like the sound of the MPC tracks better. When I listen to the two versions of "Run It" by Chris Brown, I can hear those clean, round MPC3000 drums Storch puts in the original version and then I hear the "looser" overall sound of Jermaine Dupree's version, I hear the difference between the MPC and the MV. And both versions were I believe recorded and mixed at the Hit Factory. And those are the same differences I heard between my 2500 and the MV that eventually sold. They're both great machines and any decent producer can create in either and make hot sh!t.

By 2KXL4life Sun Jun 24, 2007 3:04 am
ur an idiot^^^

and nothings wrong with the mv and no it doesnt sound better then the mpc

By 2KXL4life Sun Jun 24, 2007 3:05 am
ur an idiot^^^

and nothings wrong with the mv and the sound is crisp
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By mindcontrol Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:15 am
2KXL4life wrote:ur an idiot^^^

and nothings wrong with the mv and the sound is crisp


maybe its just me but i dont see prophacee said that was terribly wrong?

By moyphee Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:41 am
I don't see anything wrong with it either. However, as with all samplers the sound you get out of is mostly dependant on what you put in, hence there are no real MPC or MV drums. We only associate the sound of theses with a machine's sound because we know what they are using. It's not the machine it's the person behind it.

I hear the difference between the MPC and the MV.


What you hear is difference in production styles and nothing more. If Storch or Dupree switched boxes tomorrow, there would be signature sound we would attribute to the box. The fact is , we know what we're told and nothing more. Dupree never stated anywhere what songs he used it on or at least to what extent. So nobody knows what they're actually using. We don't know if trigering the MV from PT.

As far as the sounds themselves , we have absolutely no idea as to how , how much, or where the sounds were processed. If you run drums through a NEVE compressor , tweak them with a Manley Valve EQ then sample it. It's impossible for me to see how a sampler can take credit for the sound. In the end, the listener still has no real idea of where they came from or how the sounds came about - regardless of what sampler a dude is seen with.

Terms like "round" have been tossed around for decades. The problem is that no matter how many times its used it's still vague and subjective at best. It sounds good but without a detailed articulation of what the listener is experiencing nobody really knows what "round" , bubbly, refreshing, or fat , meaty or other other entertaining (but vague) terms mean. Not a blast- just my opinion.


Your beats will always sound every bit as f*cked up on any MPC as it does on the MV, Battery, or other instrument. These machines do as they are told to. Whether your music is sh!t or pure brilliance - the machine has little to do with it.

BTW- No feature, system shortcut, or suped up OS will compensate for a lack of talent.
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By 14k Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:21 pm
Moyphee,
I agree with you 200%.
I was about to respond to the above post, but you did that perfectly!
Co-sign!!! :wink:
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By AWW_NAWW Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:28 pm
I agree that my 24bit samples sound a whole lot better than the 16bit ones I was using from the same company and thats all I'm using except for my clones keyboard multis
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By jnorth Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:40 pm
Lithion wrote:I spent about an hour with the 8800 in the store. I am not stupid. The 8800 made me feel stupid. The function layout is about as akward as they come.


Ye i have to agree on that one. I used it b4 in a music store and it's the most confusing piece of equipment i've used and i use Pro-Tools, Cubase and Ableton. It just shits back at you when you first use it and makes you feel like an idiot.

What i like from a machine is not too much data on the sceen, easy navigation, everything in a quick easy place where i can see and easy to understand instructions. I don't expect to understand the machine fully at first but no machine should make me feel stupid. Maybe it's aimed at different people and it's not for me

The MVs advantage is that if your MV breaks you get good service

If your MPC breaks then your f*cked and left to rot.
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By parkerlewis Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:09 am
OK!!!

I just got my MV from Yahoo Auctions (basically brand new). Scared the shit out of me when I first switched it on, and when I first saw the 500 page manual! (not to mention the manual is japanese).
Using the online pdf manual is cumbersome and slow.

Doesn't matter. I'm doing everything the mpc1000 does in about 4 hours of use. It's very easy to use, just many more features, different terminology, and a pretty different workflow.

The quantize is very very good! I don't know how you guys can't figure it out. It's so simple. There is only 1 more parameter, which is strength, compared to the 1000/2500.
For classic mid 90's drum swing, just set it on 120 / shuffle / 62-68% rate and then set the strength to whatever gives you a good balance between human feel/robotic feel. I have it on about 80% for now, just starting out though.

Anyway, this shit rocks. And no I'm not biased, because I'm keeping my MPC1000 too. I love that little guy, but I'm scared of breaking the pads, and hate the flat screen. I also love the effects/bass keys/cd burning of the roland......main reasons I got it, and for the upright big screen, and depth of the operating system. Feels better to work on too, physically.



:D :D :D
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By everday is saturday Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:59 pm
moyphee wrote:It's not the machine it's the person behind it.



BTW- No feature, system shortcut, or suped up OS will compensate for a lack of talent.


EXACTLY

if the timing seems janked up its not the machine its the person.

By Cheebatone Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:59 am
The MPC is possibly the most immediate and intuative sampler that I've ever used.

The MV (along with every other Roland instrument/device I've used in the last 25 years) is, initially at least, very, very difficult to get into ...almost deliberately so.

But...

Roland have excellent customer and product support.

Whereas Akai... I don't need to finish this sentence, do I?

In short: NOTHING'S PERFECT.

Dealing with the imperfections of your instrument (and the mistakes you make while using it) is where the magic lies! If some dick wants to waste his time posting about how great MACHINE X is, on a forum dedicated to MACHINE Y, you can best answer him by spending more time getting creative with your chosen instrument than rising to the bait and entering into a pointless slanging match. He thinks X is better than Y? Well, opinions vary. C'est la vie.

By sebastian Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:35 am
Red Planet wrote:IMO, I just think the MVs are too much...

i dont want to look at this when i make a beat...

if i wanted too look at colorful bars and lines, i would look for software not hardware...

i rather look at this all day...

at least u know your working with hardware.


then turn off the vga... it's that easy...

you just have THE CHOICE to do it this way or the other.

when i want to lay out some tracks and go into the music than i usually turn off the vga-screen.
and there you are right: it keeps you more concentrated and "in" the music.

but when it comes to working on the track like arranging and changing things: nothing is better than the mouse with a screen.