Limited sample editing..compared to what?

I've heard a lot of people lament that the 1000 has limited sample editing facilities, but I'm not sure what it's missing that would be expected. I mainly do wave editing on the PC so am used to a ridiculous amount of power, but never thought that there'd be much in the way of editing functions on something like an MPC to begin with. What sample editing functionality is there on, say, the 2000xl (except reverse and timestretch) which the 1000 lacks?

The MPC 1000 will allow you take your sample, Chop it, and adjust loop points. For sample heavy work, timestretch is something that is needed very much so especially on an MPC. And MPC sequencer doesn't work like a computer per se were you can just click and drag sounds where you want. If you want something to loop correctly it has to match the BPM's and Bars you set in the sequencer. If your trying to layer a loop with another loop for example and if you want it to be tight, you will probaby need to timestretch the sample because you have no choice but to work at a certain BPM at any given time on an MPC or it's not really going to work out well. Set BPM's isn't much of an issue on the PC, but it is on an MPC. Basically if you had a program where all you can do is chop sounds by hand and that's it, it wouldn't be worth much would it? On the 1000 you can adjust attack and decay which you could use as a fade in/out if your samples clicking, but that's about all you can do. It's not like it can't do anything, but it is limited! It is designed for computer use!

you also cant do fade in/fade out on a sample (you can do it in the program tho)

there's also no gain adjustments across the sample (i.e. crescendo)

i think there may be no way to remove a section of a sample from its middle. you can "extract" it to a new sample but not remove it from the middle of a sample altogether. i might be wrong on that, im saying this from memory.

tiger vomitt wrote:you also cant do fade in/fade out on a sample (you can do it in the program tho)

there's also no gain adjustments across the sample (i.e. crescendo)

i think there may be no way to remove a section of a sample from its middle. you can "extract" it to a new sample but not remove it from the middle of a sample altogether. i might be wrong on that, im saying this from memory.

But the 2000xl can do these?

I don't think so 2xl has a feature that will chop up the sample for you into 16 equal parts, which you can then adjust, and I think it layers those across the 16 pads. And it has timestretch, BPM match, and pitchshift! Timestretch has settings depending on the type of sample and quality of sample. I don't know I think that's about it!. The dudes on the 2000 forum know more about it! But I think that's what it has that the 1000 and 2000 don't have!

tiger vomitt wrote:there's also no gain adjustments across the sample (i.e. crescendo)

you can program crescendo in MIDI using CC command 7 (volume)

Lou-One wrote:I don't think so 2xl has a feature that will chop up the sample for you into 16 equal parts, which you can then adjust, and I think it layers those across the 16 pads. And it has timestretch, BPM match, and pitchshift! Timestretch has settings depending on the type of sample and quality of sample. I don't know I think that's about it!. The dudes on the 2000 forum know more about it! But I think that's what it has that the 1000 and 2000 don't have!

Thanks!

freezerman wrote:you can program crescendo in MIDI using CC command 7 (volume)

it's still not part of the sample editing tho

BUT i didnt even realize that about cc7. you can make smmoth fades that way?? good tip, thanks!

You will be surprised at how much you can do when you master MIDI CC (control change) commands, you can control the filter using CC 74 (brightness). And did I mention PB (pitch bend?) that can be radical too. Change the tune of a pad in the midst of a sequence with a simple PB value insertion.

There are many others (see the full list at www.midi.org). Learning MIDI is never useless when you've got MIDI equipment on front of you.

i know how to use cc msgs but i was unaware that the mpc can respon to most of them. like pitch bend... i thought the mpc ignores incoming PB ?

tiger vomitt wrote:i know how to use cc msgs but i was unaware that the mpc can respon to most of them. like pitch bend... i thought the mpc ignores incoming PB ?

I thought the same, and the manual (Pg 93) seems to point that way too. We know it doesn't do anything with PB or Mod, and the sample section didn't change anything when I tried sending it Volume (CC#7) last weekend... but I've just noticed it uses Aftertouch to control Note Repeat... hmm...

tiger vomitt wrote:i think there may be no way to remove a section of a sample from its middle. you can "extract" it to a new sample but not remove it from the middle of a sample altogether. i might be wrong on that, im saying this from memory.

I have not tried this yet, but it seems like with a little (lot of?) work you could (effectively) extract a section from the middle of a sample. For example, if a sample had 3 elements in it "ABC", you could extract the "B" and just leave "AC". As I said, I haven't tried it, but it seems like you could do it like this:

1. Copy a sample so you have two copies of it, Sample 1, and Sample 2
2. In Sample 1, set the Start Point at the beginning and the End point at the end of section A
3. In Sample 2, set the Start point at the beginning of Section C and End Point at the end of the sample
4. Create a new Sequence with Sample 1 and Sample 2 playing back-to-back, and nothing else in the Sequence. You may need to play with Step Edit and insert the two samples so they exactly "b-u-t-t" against each other.
5. Record a new Sample and record the MPC1000 itself (INPUT=MAIN OUT) playing your new Sequence. Call it Sample 3.
6. Sample 3 contains "AC" and no "B". Now you can delete Sample 1 and Sample 2.

Your point is well taken though, there is no "easy" or direct way to remove the middle of a sample.

Now, instead of all that, do it with a wave editing program on the PC and it takes 2 seconds.

exactly.