Some Glitchy Sounding Techniques

Just a couple of things a noticed today, not sure how long its been this way in the JJOS:

When you hold a pad down in the Program screeen and use the data wheel to scroll through the samples, each sample plays at each increment of the data wheel. Hard to explain, but try it out. With a good choice of samples to load, you could record some real cool glitch-type sounds with this. Also when you turn the data wheel all the way to the right and reach the last sample it quickly repeats, similar to setting a very short loop time.

Another interesting sound that could be sample is using the ring modulator. Hold down the play button and use the data wheel to scroll from the lowest to highest/ highest to lowest wave frequency setting. Could be used for a cool electronic sounding build up.

you dont get out much do you ?..

the guys that make good shit happen usually dont

i read in rza's little wu tang manual that when he was making eveyones first solo albums (liquid swords, only built 4 cuban linx, ironman, ect)
that he never left his house and had long nasty hair and howard huges vibes going on

i always wished there was a "glitch mode" you could go inoto with the mpc
like mode+pad1+pad4+pad13+pad16 = "Dangerous MPC ROBOT Mode"

do you hit all those pads/buttons at the same time

this is one reason why i think the q-link sliders & aftertouch are completely underused in the os. it seems a no-brainer that the sliders & aftertouch should be assignable to a lot more paramaters. aftertouch in particular i can't figure out. the pads transmit aftertouch data but you can't do much with it in the os.

at the very least, i think the sliders & aftertouch should be assignable to control all of the effect parameters & loop points in realtime. you can get some incredible effects by turning the delay feedback up all the way & then rapidly tweaking the delay time while playing. it's pretty hard to do with just the data wheel, however, & plus you have to stay on the effect screen to do it. how much cooler would it be to be able to change that with the sliders or pressure (or even velocity).

would also be great to be able to scrub a sample in realtime. set a real tight loop on a sample, then use pressure on the pads to move the loop point back & forth over the sample. things like this could really increase the expressiveness of the mpc as an instrument and should have been implemented by akai from day one, but of course akai crippled the thing when they released it and jj doesn't have a lot of memory to work with in terms of adding features anymore.

^^^ Yeah I forgot about the delay effect, you can get some cool shit messing with that in real time too. Also, the delay effect on the 1k seems to bug-out a bit when you have the dealy time set to its minimum value, it gets like this metallic ring to it, which can be cool on hits.

You are right what you said about real time control, it would be nice, but its hard to know if its within the limits of the machine. Oh well, we can wish and hope.
Especially good point about aftertouch, the only thing I can think that it is used for is varying velocity on Note Repeat. I think a great and simple feature (its been mentioned before) would be to use it for entering notes in Grid Edit. Ie. You hit the pad, and can vary the velocity to the value you want with aftertouch before confirming your choice with the press of a button, eg. arrow to next grid space.

Just out of interest, does anyone know how long the Program mode has been this way? I'm almost certain that before you would have to hit the pad again each time after turning that data wheel to get it to sound.

i couldnt have said it better myself sooty

i have dreams (i dont mean this as an expression of speach) of the mpc suddently one day via japaneese jenius having resynthesis capabilities
like this
http://www.timefreezer.net/
(click on the second picture to get it to play the video on the instrument)

imagine having that on your mpc! even a rougher nasty version of it....
it could even be done with a very short loop time and then moving that loop region though the waveform with a single paramerter (slider) and the newly implemented alternate loop mode would help this sound much better too!

imagine if you could assign note repeat values to aftertouch or "pressure sensitivity"

synthburn wrote:i couldnt have said it better myself sooty

i have dreams (i dont mean this as an expression of speach) of the mpc suddently one day via japaneese jenius having resynthesis capabilities
like this
http://www.timefreezer.net/
(click on the second picture to get it to play the video on the instrument)

imagine having that on your mpc! even a rougher nasty version of it....
it could even be done with a very short loop time and then moving that loop region though the waveform with a single paramerter (slider) and the newly implemented alternate loop mode would help this sound much better too!

imagine if you could assign note repeat values to aftertouch or "pressure sensitivity"

if I fully understand what's going on in that video, and I think I do, then that shit is ridiculous. very cool

synthburn wrote:resynthesis capabilities
like this
http://www.timefreezer.net/
(click on the second picture to get it to play the video on the instrument)

Sooty_G wrote: would also be great to be able to scrub a sample in realtime.

Set note repeat resolution to 32nd triplets (even better if you double the clock)

Assign a qlink to sample start.

Hold down pad w/ note repeat/ shift.

Turn assigned qlink knob/ fader.
Realtime scrubbing!!!!!

DP

There is a lot we could do synthesis wise if tempo were increased to 600.

Better yet of course would be a double/ half time recorded note data function.

This could lead to more convincing time stretch and granular synthesis techniques.

Also: Scaled LFO's.
Send LFO's over midi tracks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

King_Vitamin wrote:There is a lot we could do synthesis wise if tempo were increased to 600.

with ableton (or probalbly any other DAW) set as the master, the mpc will follow whatever tempo you set...

in ableton i can get it up to 999 BPM

i think that most f you know divinci but for those who doesn't here is a video where he explains is wavetable synthesis technique on the mpc 2000...
that's great...
[url]
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=j42SdmiU0 ... ed&search=[/url]

there were a cool tip thread before where i've already explained this one :
automate effect settings (step edit) this one is the reason of my request for more effects settings.
the thing which is funny with this technique is that it's not true automation it's recalling effects settings (you are still limited with your 4 effects but it's great with little times delays for example...)

King_Vitamin wrote:Set note repeat resolution to 32nd triplets (even better if you double the clock)

Assign a qlink to sample start.

Hold down pad w/ note repeat/ shift.

Turn assigned qlink knob/ fader.
Realtime scrubbing!!!!!

ah! thanks a lot for this great tip! very nice. it's a shame that you have to stay in the main window for this to work, but it's a good start.

while i was experimenting with this, here's another trick i discovered:

1. set everything up as above (i put the tempo at 300)
2. set play mode to ONE SHOT
3. set voice to POLY
4. make sure full level is turned OFF

go back to the main screen & hold note repeat down & press down on a pad, slowly increasing the pressure & check out what happens. here's an mp3 i made as an example. i have 1 drum loop assigned to a pad. the first time thru is the sample playing as normal, the second time i am pressing down on the pad quickly, and the third time pressing slowly. there are no other effects on the sample.

http://minorcrisis.net/files/note_repeat.mp3