out of the way mpc tips

pigpen wrote:

primebeatz wrote:I have no idea what any of this means.

dude, all this is goin over my head and ive been makin beats on the 1k for over a year and a half, i really dont see why anyone would need any of these crazy tips makin hip hop music. I'm saying that thinking most of us hear make hip hop. But its good defenitly good to see people are findin new ways to make music on this thing. they just seem impractical for makin beats.

don't want to do the dead horse thing BUT this is precisely why videos would be good...it's really hard to follow this stuff as text, even for someone of my vast intellect...

dude, all this is goin over my head and ive been makin beats on the 1k for over a year and a half, i really dont see why anyone would need any of these crazy tips makin hip hop music. I'm saying that thinking most of us hear make hip hop. But its good defenitly good to see people are findin new ways to make music on this thing. they just seem impractical for makin beats.

imagine a genre of hip hop where the beats DO involve these "crazy tips."
why NOT use more advanced tactics while making beats?

it's also about knowing your machine. if you know it in and out, you can do the basic stuff better too. that's definitely something i've found.

imagine a genre of hip hop where the beats DO involve these "crazy tips."

listen to :
-prefuse 73
-clouddead
etc...

heh - i do

pigpen wrote:

primebeatz wrote:I have no idea what any of this means.

dude, all this is goin over my head and ive been makin beats on the 1k for over a year and a half, i really dont see why anyone would need any of these crazy tips makin hip hop music. I'm saying that thinking most of us hear make hip hop. But its good defenitly good to see people are findin new ways to make music on this thing. they just seem impractical for makin beats.

yo, just think 'timbaland' as a positive, then flip it to negative....u got what people with jj os, are doing the inverse (as in the negative)...its a different focus ...but with a similar imprint. i love hip hop - but its like a simple baby sibling - its got relationships with the love of a sound but it differs where the focus of effort is concerned....lets have the complex vibe for ourselves.

arebee wrote:

pigpen wrote:

primebeatz wrote:I have no idea what any of this means.

dude, all this is goin over my head and ive been makin beats on the 1k for over a year and a half, i really dont see why anyone would need any of these crazy tips makin hip hop music. I'm saying that thinking most of us hear make hip hop. But its good defenitly good to see people are findin new ways to make music on this thing. they just seem impractical for makin beats.

yo, just think 'timbaland' as a positive, then flip it to negative....u got what people with jj os, are doing the inverse (as in the negative)...its a different focus ...but with a similar imprint. i love hip hop - but its like a simple baby sibling - its got relationships with the love of a sound but it differs where the focus of effort is concerned....lets have the complex vibe for ourselves.

eh?

talking about crazy tips....and hip hop - thats all.....

every time a new (ish ) hip hop producer turns up, everyone freaks out on how inventive they may be, but hip hop's been painting by numbers since '82.........so i reckon the undercurrent's where its at.... jj is feeding these undercurrents (knowingly or not - i cant tell - thats also the nature of true hip hop for me), just fully stoked at people on this site, enthusing.

yeh?

eh because i couldnt follow a word you wrote...but then again i prefer dre's drums to r2d2 or whatever he is called...

hahhaha wicked! yeah i reckon u maybe right, but dre's definately more shake n bake instant trad-hop, not so inventive but not as cheesy either.
duke bootee's my idea of hip hop so there u go.

sorry if my boozybudrants wound you up.

(e.g. the major scale uses only notes that fall on white piano keys)

Yo, don't want to detract from an otherwise uesful post but I thought the above statement could confuse some kids.

C major is the only major scale that uses all white keys. It is the sequnce of tone (T) and semitone (ST) intervals that is important, not the colour of the keys. If you played only white notes but started on A you would get a minor scale (except you should sharpen the G to G# to get that real minor sound). Think about it; how could I play a C# major scale with out useing C# (a black note).

The basics...
Major: T,T,ST,T,T,T,ST
Minor: T,ST,T,T,ST,Tst,ST

Sorry for vearing this tips thread further from the cool tricks it was intended for.

if you know it in and out, you can do the basic stuff better too.

Totes. The biggest challenge for a producer is to know what sound you want and then how to get it. The more knowledge you have the more likely you'll be able to get that sound. This is as true for Timbaland and Dre as it is for RJD2 and Blockhead as it is for Jel and Odd Nosedom.

true.

the more you CAN do often comes with a knowledge of what you should do WHEN.

that's my biggest hurdle to cross next. i pull out tricks as i learn them these days. i can't wait til i have a solid foundation to draw from.

hey mkl you made a comment on the first page about using long reverb to make nice glitches. do you mean glitches as in the kind of sounds squarepusher makes, like when you loop a really really short sample?

deranger wrote:

stale bread wrote:

deranger wrote:For melodics parts: ...

more details on this please, do you have some steps for us

On a piano keyboard you have 12 keys (white and black) in every octave, but since most music uses "scales" (only 7 or less of the 12 notes are actually used to play melody), you won't be using all them keys In fact hitting a "wrong" key (one not in the chosen scale) will make your piano teacher angry

On an MPC, you can assign what note a pad plays, so you can use all them 16 pads for the "right" notes only! No more wrong notes (as with autochromatic - that thing assigns pads to all 12 "piano keys" (=tones&semitones))

So, choose a scale (e.g. the major scale uses only notes that fall on white piano keys), learn what notes are in that scale (major:C,D,E,F,G,A,B ; blues scale: C,Eb,F,Gb,G,Bb), choose the octave (=very coarse pitch), then look up the chosen note numbers in a "MIDI note number table" (search w Google!). Then assign the pads to these note numbers!

And with a pentatonic scale you can cover four octaves with the pads! Hows that for flexibility! 8-D

Added later: For those not familiar with note names: "b" sign next to a note name (Eb) means :note E lowered by half-note (=one piano key to the left), and the "#" means one half-note higher (one key to the right). Confusion arises because the same key can be referred to in two ways (as a "b" note or as a "#" note, depending on what key you're looking from...)
So ... C# is the same as Db (=the black key between C and D).

Thanks to the centuries of convolution of music theory some confusion is inavoidable

I would love to know more about this! Is a video out of the question? Or some kind of tutorial? It's a great idea!

I got links to german tutorials, only thing in english is this: http://www.looknohands.com/chordhouse/piano/

Hope that helps