Patch Phrase and 16 Levels

Mr modnaR wrote:i'm of a different school of thought where the discipline it takes to master the technical side of things allows the creative side to flourish of it's own accord.

I also got some good results back in the days, by getting technically creative (sometimes you have to) to get what i wanted and in the end something totally different came out, which sometimes was even better than the originally intended.

You can still do that.

But when you got a single note from let`s say a bass and wanna play a whole melody with it, why would it make sense to sit there and bend the samples with timestretch manually, when you already KNOW what you wanna do with it..?

well i'd probably just tune the bass note, which is what pp does anyway.

sure but the length of the sample would change + the sample wouldnt stick to the tempo when u change the bpm, right ?

ok, but you're talking about one bass note here. pp ain't doing voodoo, it merely chops a sample then plays them back in time. kinda useless for one bass note imho, and not all that effective if you raise the pitch too much, as it would sound choppy as hell.

Just try it..

I works perfect and sounds great, on all 16 levels.

Doesnt need to be more than 1 note. (?)

Cut out 1 note, doesnt matter which instrument.
Select it when in trim mode.
Go into slice, change the slices to 2 and then manually correct the start point, so that basically no slice will be made.

Then go to edit and convert it to patch phrase.

Put this pp-Sample on a pad and switch on the 16Lev., with tune and you`ll see, that it`s a cool way to transpose a sample without changing the pitch, that still sounds quite good on the higher tones.

Wich is definetly NOT THE SAME as just pitchin it up with the 16Levels..

lol. i guarantee you it most definitely is tuning the slice. over 16 pads there's not enough tuning to make it obvious.

Mr modnaR wrote:lol. i guarantee you it most definitely is tuning the slice. over 16 pads there's not enough tuning to make it obvious.

Absolutely right, it is about tuning the slice, BUT without changing the tempo, which the 16 Levels would do otherwise.
+ You can change the bpm and the played track changes to it and that in a wide range. So you can change the bpm from 70 to 130 for example and it will still sound good.
You`ll hear the difference..

Give it a shot, i bet you like it.

goldenchild wrote:it is about tuning the slice, BUT without changing the tempo

how is this possible without the mpc being capable of realtime timestretching?

the reason you cannot hear a change in length is because it's one note, and there is negligible change in pitch over the 16 pads.

try the same 'one slice' trick, this time with a break, you will then see that all patched phrase does is tune the slices by speeding them up/slowing them down.

the only way the tempo is not changed is when you chop each hit within the sample so they're separate. they still get tuned, and they still change speed, you just don't notice as much.

I agree.

This was explained by others in topic before.

I didnt talk about realtime time stretch, you said theres no Difference between patch phrase + 16Lev or just tuning a sample with the 16 Levels.
Well there is..all I`m sayin.

"the reason you cannot hear a change in length is because it's one note, and there is negligible change in pitch over the 16 pads. "

are you serious ? Have you EVER used the 16 Levels ?
It speeds up/slows down a sound for christ sakes, so the sound gets shorter or longer and when i use the 16 Lev Tune it`s sometimes so anoying, that i really ask myself, what the heck this funktion is good for.
I didnt like it untill i found out about the combination with PP.

how is there a difference if they both do the same thing?

your a real piece of work, you know that ?

No hard feelings though.

Like i said..give it a shot and you will see the difference..

LMAO.

i've tried it. the sample slows down and speeds up. you try it with a longer sample, then you'll see.

the only thing that pp does is have a series of chopped samples and the requisite timing information on one pad instead of laying the chops over several pads, and you having to program the timing in yourself. granted it's much easier to hit one pad than have to program in, say, 64 pads, but, as Antonym said above, you get control over each slice rather than the sample as a whole, which is why, imho, chopping and sequencing is (much) better than pp.

if you can't get that pp does change the tempo of each slice when tuning it, then there's no hope. no hard feelings

and yes, i am a piece of work.

Just came home from work and tried it again.

Youre right, there is no difference.
I just used it on a long bass tone which gave me the feeling, that something has changed, while it actually hasnt`..

But still, being able to change the bpm while the sample is locked to the beat, is a nice feature imho

goldenchild wrote:But still, being able to change the bpm while the sample is locked to the beat, is a nice feature imho

sure it is, i'm just saying i'd be happier doing it manually for more control + some other feature in the OS, i think that's a fair trade. then again, i don't use pp or sequenced chops that much anyway.....

peace.

i don't use pp or sequenced chops that much anyway

oneshots and midi triggers?