Mpc 3000 King Of Mpcs Yes or No and why?

Antonym wrote:i still say anyone who is relying this heavily on the out of the box sound of the converters in their sampler for their entire sound is in need of stepping up their game AND in need of serious post preduction

it's one thing if it's a kazoo compared to a french horn, but this is a WHOLE different story

Word!!!

dabmeister wrote:

Antonym wrote:i still say anyone who is relying this heavily on the out of the box sound of the converters in their sampler for their entire sound is in need of stepping up their game AND in need of serious post preduction

it's one thing if it's a kazoo compared to a french horn, but this is a WHOLE different story

Word!!!

word

xabiton wrote:

Antonym wrote:i still say anyone who is relying this heavily on the out of the box sound of the converters in their sampler for their entire sound is in need of stepping up their game AND in need of serious post production

it's one thing if it's a kazoo compared to a french horn, but this is a WHOLE different story

why is that? why work harder than you need to?

That's the problem, a few of us always want the easy route. There's no magical method of doing things, especially in this field. When it comes to pre & post production, you get what you put into it, simple as that.

dabmeister wrote:

xabiton wrote:

Antonym wrote:i still say anyone who is relying this heavily on the out of the box sound of the converters in their sampler for their entire sound is in need of stepping up their game AND in need of serious post production

it's one thing if it's a kazoo compared to a french horn, but this is a WHOLE different story

why is that? why work harder than you need to?

That's the problem, a few of us always want the easy route. There's no magical method of doing things, especially in this field. When it comes to pre & post production, you get what you put into it, simple as that.

why make things harder than they have to be? thats kind of a cop out. I'm not looking for the magical easy button or anything but if I like the sound of a particular mpc over the others why not. I only need basic functions anyway. As long as I can chop and have some decent sample time and it sounds gritty Im happy. I haven't been satisfied with anything I've tried up to this point except for when I had my eps classic that I so regret getting rid of

I understand dawg, but I was merely making that statement towards the overall process of recording, not the sound quality of a particular instrument or piece of equipment. However I can relate to having multiple pieces of gear as a means of achieving different aspects of sound quality, but not to rely on one piece to do it all. Now if you're just kicking it as a hobbyist and don't plan on doing nothing more than that, then that's fine. But if I were a client and wanted a mixture of clean & grit on some samples or whatever, a lot of us would fall short on this. You see, I don't rely on samplers to make my music, I play whatever comes to mind, and that might come from modules, softsynths, an acoustic instrument or even my 4k (which has the ability to switch between being a sampler or sound module). Variety is key in this game.

dabmeister wrote:I understand dawg, but I was merely making that statement towards the overall process of recording, not the sound quality of a particular instrument or piece of equipment. However I can relate to having multiple pieces of gear as a means of achieving different aspects of sound quality, but not to rely on one piece to do it all. Now if you're just kicking it as a hobbyist and don't plan on doing nothing more than that, then that's fine. But if I were a client and wanted a mixture of clean & grit on some samples or whatever, a lot of us would fall short on this. You see, I don't rely on samplers to make my music, I play whatever comes to mind, and that might come from modules, softsynths, an acoustic instrument or even my 4k (which has the ability to switch between being a sampler or sound module). Variety is key in this game.

good insight. i do this as a hobby but I do make money from it also. I am in a sense trying to develop my sound in a sense. I personally would like drums gritty very similar to Jermaine Dupri. If my clients want a clean sound I also have Reason 3 which I can use to make clean sounding songs. It just so happens most everyone I deal with are looking for more of a raw sound from me

Jermaine dupri and gritty drums? wow first time i heard this one. lol

firework wrote:Jermaine dupri and gritty drums? wow first time i heard this one. lol

gritty yes dirty no. crisp but gritty at the same time sounds great to my ears.

Why does Pete Rock still use an SP for drums?

Part of making music is the interaction between user and machine.

The process is often the most fun part. Sampling on an SP can be great fun, it can also be laboursome.

I think the machine should inspire you to make music. There is no point owning anything if it makes making music a drag.

Samplers do have different sounds and sometimes the sound can inspire.

If you feel the 3000 is the magic box for you then it may well be. There is probably a reason you are drawn to it and you may well be looking to justify it with a particular reason.I dare say that there are a number of reasons someone could benefit from a 3000.

Stop asking questions and just get one, trust your instincts. For every person that boosts you up to get it there will be another to shoot you down.

The day I got my 2000XL was one of my happiest, planets alligned just so I could get it. Recently I got a 2500 just to see satisfy a curiosity. It is different to the XL but not better. They inspire me to make different beats and going back between the two opens my mind to different ways to approach both.

Get the 3000 and be done with it. By the way everyone who I know who has owned one swears by the sound.

I rather have Dr. Dre drums. not Jermaine Dupri's.

sensei wrote:Why does Pete Rock still use an SP for drums?

Part of making music is the interaction between user and machine.

The process is often the most fun part. Sampling on an SP can be great fun, it can also be laboursome.

I think the machine should inspire you to make music. There is no point owning anything if it makes making music a drag.

Samplers do have different sounds and sometimes the sound can inspire.

If you feel the 3000 is the magic box for you then it may well be. There is probably a reason you are drawn to it and you may well be looking to justify it with a particular reason.I dare say that there are a number of reasons someone could benefit from a 3000.

Stop asking questions and just get one, trust your instincts. For every person that boosts you up to get it there will be another to shoot you down.

The day I got my 2000XL was one of my happiest, planets alligned just so I could get it. Recently I got a 2500 just to see satisfy a curiosity. It is different to the XL but not better. They inspire me to make different beats and going back between the two opens my mind to different ways to approach both.

Get the 3000 and be done with it. By the way everyone who I know who has owned one swears by the sound.

Im not asking if I should buy a mpc 3000. I have to find one first lol. I don't do ebay because most of the time I am not around the computer when the bidding ends. I am simply asking in everyone's opinion would they say the 3k is king and if not what do u think is and why. I dont understand why so many people are missing the topic of discussion and turning it into a "Is the mpc 3k right for me thread"

firework wrote:I rather have Dr. Dre drums. not Jermaine Dupri's.

thats u I like Jermaines

i am by no means any expert on MPC's, but as a new user I bought the 2500 as my first MPC. I love the records made by 3000 users and SP1200 users cuz their sounds are amaziing, especially on drums (as yous well know) but for me, comming from 2 years of computers and software production and needing the workflow of an MPC, although the sounds of vintage gear is quality I didn't see the point in going backwards (in terms of features, memory, capabilities, compatiblity) just for the sound, so i decided a modern machine would be more worth my while. Although the sound is quite clean on the 2500, you can still get good results with the right EQing and tweeks here and there, and as it was said before it depends on your records.
Mind you, if i had the money to waste (which i most certainly don't) i would buy an old school machine just for the sound, but thats mostly cuz of the buzz you get from the classic machines...the cool factor. For me though, it's just not very practical.

everybody's different though...

personal_rock wrote:i am by no means any expert on MPC's, but as a new user I bought the 2500 as my first MPC. I love the records made by 3000 users and SP1200 users cuz their sounds are amaziing, especially on drums (as yous well know) but for me, comming from 2 years of computers and software production and needing the workflow of an MPC, although the sounds of vintage gear is quality I didn't see the point in going backwards (in terms of features, memory, capabilities, compatiblity) just for the sound, so i decided a modern machine would be more worth my while. Although the sound is quite clean on the 2500, you can still get good results with the right EQing and tweeks here and there, and as it was said before it depends on your records.
Mind you, if i had the money to waste (which i most certainly don't) i would buy an old school machine just for the sound, but thats mostly cuz of the buzz you get from the classic machines...the cool factor. For me though, it's just not very practical.

everybody's different though...

i dont see how u would be burning money on a old machine. A lot of the time they cost the same if not less than the newer ones. Features vs sound I can understand but isn't music all about sound. Its kind of strange that you would ignore it simply because something else is easier. Just my 2 pennies

it is what it is. me pesonally will not ever accept the fact that for 1000.00 i get a mpc 1000 that already needs pads repaired/replaced. TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!!! If we didnt have so many dorm/bedroom/back pack producers looking for way to make bats on the go and using machines that consist of batteries to able to make beats at a starbucks or college lounge then maybe people would boycott the 1000. Dont know much about the 2500 but the smart money tells me that is probably not well built either, just go to the message board and reads all the probs and in some cases of new machines. for me its either a 3000 if i cant find one, or back to a 2000xlsince iam using 12 bitsampers its all good.