mpc1000 w/jjos - mv8000

i can get the mpc1000 (black) for $1000 even. but the mv 8000 are so cheap nowadays i can get one for 1400 on the internet.

im kinda stuck cuz i already know how to use MPCs and just wanna know if an extra $400 for the mv8000 is a good choice for sombody that never used one before.

even a yes or could help

i guess it should be worth it, the mv8k has a lot more features than the mpc

yea but you can get a used 1k for around 600 these days.


plus there is a reason mv's are so cheap.

I would go with a used MO over a new MV anyday! For real. And this is coming from someone who LOVES Roland products. I just gotta roll with the MP man. I hope that helps.

truuust me homie i read everything i can find.
i just needed advice from peoples that USED them both

hereo wrote:I would go with a used MO over a new MV anyday! For real. And this is coming from someone who LOVES Roland products. I just gotta roll with the MP man. I hope that helps.

i ended up gettin a barely used mpc2500 for $1200 with the memory maxed out and new pads that are black so you know it looks lookin pretty dope.
n ye it helped this forum was my last resort so ur coment was like a tie breaker so thanks.

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I'd get the MV, no question.

that looks nice
ive been wanting to get the black pads into my 2500

I've got a good amount of experience with both. Personally I prefer the MV for odd reasons that may not apply to most people at all.

Please see my post in this earlier thread: http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php ... ht=similar

At any rate, they're both excellent machines and they will both easily get the job done. They are also quite similar, with only subtle differences in mixing and "kit" architecture.

If your primary interest is making beats I'd recommend the MPC (I think even MV lovers must admit it's the gold standard in this regard), and if you want to use the box as a more comprehensive production unit I'd recommend the MV.

hth,
fw

ps - I think people that get upset about using one brand over another are, generally, overcompensating for personal problems and insecurities.

I think the MV-8800 eclipses the current MPCs.

Even in a live environment having 512MB of samples across 6 banks is no joke. Audio Phrases can be up to 32 banks x 16 pads! I just sold my 4000 today ( shipped it anyway) . Akai really needs to step it up.

If you look at the s-5/6000 they were heading in the same direction as Roland with icons and visual approach. Anyway it's what makes you happy dog and that's what counts.

moyphee wrote:I think the MV-8800 eclipses the current MPCs.

Even in a live environment having 512MB of samples across 6 banks is no joke. Audio Phrases can be up to 32 banks x 16 pads! I just sold my 4000 today ( shipped it anyway) . Akai really needs to step it up.

If you look at the s-5/6000 they were heading in the same direction as Roland with icons and visual approach. Anyway it's what makes you happy dog and that's what counts.

***THIS IS NOT A ANTI-MV REPLY***
The 2500 is the new Flagship and sadly enough it will stay that way.
They will continue to attack the smaller just starting out market.

The 4k is just another ASR-10 story of a great product but no funding to feed it.


Roland has always been a company that could bail on a product or rework it into something else.
They typically share their design aspects across many products so there's always some form of return for the R&D.
The MV is and never really was a MPC killer, it was designed for people who didn't need all the MPC aspects but needed more DAW/computer type functions to complete their workflow.
It was easy to do since the VS line of products is really great and pretty feature rich.
It's less than a MPC in some ways, but the DAW and Phrase features (as well as some other things) more than make up for this.
Roland simply realized that it would be easier to find/create a niche than have to keep peeking across the fence to see what Akai was doing.
At the time the MV was designed teh world of computers was quite different from how it is currently.

The S-5000/6000, the Z-series, failed effects pedals, bad VST plug-ins and the 4k is what drove Akai into bankruptcy so they changed direction (and quality control) when they restructured.
They had a line of products that were new directions with major overhead, unfortunely the changes in technology hurt the company dramatically.

Financially Akai never was anything like Roland so trying to take the MPC to the compete with computers stomping ground like Roland did with the MV was never an option.
The next two years will determine the direction of the MV since controllers and laptops are becoming increasingly more efficient.
You can believe that Roland already has at least 2 new products tabled that would emerge from the MV's design, just look at the growth the VS's went thru.
Look at what the VP could do to samples and how they evolved that into the MV's Audio Tracks function.
Gotta say that with MV-8000 currently being so easy to find in the $500-600 price range, it's hard to pass them by.
Then again 2500 are easy to find in the $800-900 range.

MV or MPC?
Doesn't matter, it still comes down to putting them on to see which fits your workflow.
Funny how the original poster asked about the 1k and MV but found a deal on a 2500.

The MV is and never really was a MPC killer, it was designed for people who didn't need all the MPC aspects but needed more DAW/computer type functions to complete their workflow.

Not true- The MV competes directly with the MPC-4000. It was (and is now ) Roland's intent to convert Akai users. Most converted former 4000 users are the opposite of what you described. I myself wanted the sampling power of the 4000 with the option to handle real audio on several fronts.

* Akai could do too this via software but they dont'. It would simply be a
matter of making the 4000 OS open source and then subject to approval before official release.

It's less than a MPC in some ways

No it isn't.

Roland simply realized that it would be easier to find/create a niche than have to keep peeking across the fence to see what Akai was doing.

The niche is percussion based sampler market. Roland saw that Akai had the market all to themselves and they simply wanted in on it.

Look at what the VP could do to samples and how they evolved that into the MV's Audio Tracks function

You're off by several miles here. The MV doesn't use any VP technology. The audio track are simply tracks that trigger linear recorded samples. The only units that really use the Vari Phrase technology is the VariOS and the V-Synth. The Real Time Timestetch is just that. There is no special encoding and processing that makes the samples elastic as in the VP-9000, V-Synth , or VariOS


....with MV-8000 currently being so easy to find in the $500-600 price range, it's hard to pass them by.
Then again 2500 are easy to find in the $800-900 range.

Except for the occasional steal the MV is currently siting around 800 to 1k and the 2500 is no less than $1000 using ebay CL and the forum's 4 sale section as a reference.

The next two years will determine the direction of the MV since controllers and laptops are becoming increasingly more efficient.

I think Roland having great success with 8000/8800 has already dictated it's course. Whent the MV-8800 slows down in sales the next MV will arrive. I personally think Summer NAMM 08. Typically Roland debuts new major samplers in the summer.


All I know is that Akai's hand will eventually be forced and that's good news for everyone. Competition brings better products and forces companies to put the needs of the customer first. If Akai builds another beast that improves my work I'll buy it if its competitively priced.