Reviews and questions about the entry-level MPC500
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By Lithion Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:31 pm
Put up a link to your music Avenue
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By lovesign Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:29 pm
All this hate about an inanimate object and delivered by people who have never owned or used an MPC500.

Quite sad really.

Avene, I, like you, have had no issues with my 500 or it's OS. I'm totally satisfied. As I am with my 1000, which, strangely enough, has never suffered from the much fabled "pad issue". And I use my 1000 to test and create for MPC as well as other associated products, so it gets a good hammering.

I am always amazed (and saddened) at the two extremes of brand loyalty and brand bashing.
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By Antonym Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:50 pm
Antonym wrote:unlike many forum members, i've got zero contempt for an mpc whose numerical suffix is lesser than my own.


ill say it again

Avene wrote:Your gbreaks samples are a prime example of what I was talking about!


wrong. let's go through this piece by piece. first, know that i don't use auto chop, i use the divide and conquer technique which is recycle-fast and incredibly accurate. i also no longer zoom in all the way (though it would be very easy to do so) because it's less clicks of a button to use the ear - plus you can always edit individually in trim if you've left too much space.

Long spaces before the actual peak,


since when did i say i ever wanted to be dead on the transient? leaving space before the peak is "automatic time shifting." i leave a little space (and i mean LITTLE) to offset my snares, hats, and upbeat kicks.

you have the ability to set a qlink to "sample start" on the mpc1000 (another feature i forgot to list earlier), so very often

minus that last part, leaving near-inaudible space before certain hits has been used for a LOOONG time. for someone who previously lauded "chopping by ear," you yourself should already know this.

DC offset


corrected post MPC in sound forge. this doesn't stop me from programming a song in the mpc, which is the writing tool not the printing press.

I even noticed a few samples in the set that didn't start on a zero crossing.


i used to be a stickler on crosspoints, before i realized it was a waste of time if you use the noggin. my drum programs have a default attack of 1, which creates an automatic zero crosspoint.

The way I see it, if your samples are badly edited, most especially the start points, you'll only be compromising your overall production


poorly sliced samples are not often among my criticisms when people listen to my works in progress.

how I use the 500, I honestly don't need the majority of that stuff in an MPC and assume a lot of other users don't either.


it just takes a friendly gander at the MPC1000 jj forums to see otherwise. myself and many many others are actively using "that stuff." simple truth: you have more access to deep programming capabilities WITH these functions as opposed to without.

if you have a computer in your studio that can do this stuff painlessly, then why waste exrtra time doing it on a tiny MPC screen?


i thought your big concern was portability? and aren't you judging this whole speed thing from the 4000? you forgot that the 1000 operates at a way faster speed.

By the way, this reminds me of brail for blind people -


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why because you don't understand either?
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By Lithion Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:04 pm
lovesign wrote:All this hate about an inanimate object and delivered by people who have never owned or used an MPC500.

Quite sad really.

Avene, I, like you, have had no issues with my 500 or it's OS. I'm totally satisfied. As I am with my 1000, which, strangely enough, has never suffered from the much fabled "pad issue". And I use my 1000 to test and create for MPC as well as other associated products, so it gets a good hammering.

I am always amazed (and saddened) at the two extremes of brand loyalty and brand bashing.


I used to own a 500 for a few months before I sold it. I have used both the 1k and the 500, and for me, as far as speed, workflow, and the other issues I talked about the 1k is way better than a 500 for me.
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By Avene Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:23 am
Alright, my last reply here on this. Feel free to write back, but don't expect me to.

Antonym wrote:wrong. let's go through this piece by piece. first, know that i don't use auto chop, i use the divide and conquer technique which is recycle-fast and incredibly accurate. i also no longer zoom in all the way (though it would be very easy to do so) because it's less clicks of a button to use the ear - plus you can always edit individually in trim if you've left too much space.

since when did i say i ever wanted to be dead on the transient? leaving space before the peak is "automatic time shifting." i leave a little space (and i mean LITTLE) to offset my snares, hats, and upbeat kicks.

poorly sliced samples are not often among my criticisms when people listen to my works in progress.


Of course nobody would notice that. Compare the difference and they might. If you purposely want to leave some space at the start, that's your decision. Personally I'd trim the fat from the sample and just use a timing correct offset in sequencer. Put it this way, the tighter your production, the more people are gonna be able to feel the groove and dance to it. That's the test for me with any track, is it tight, can I pop to it?

By the way, the loop points in your voice samples are off. Not sure if they're meant to be like that? Extreme Sample converter is a good program for crossfade loops.

you have the ability to set a qlink to "sample start" on the mpc1000 (another feature i forgot to list earlier), so very often


I knew about this, the 4000 guys were always asking for it. You never know, the 500 may have that one day. Nothing to stress over.

minus that last part, leaving near-inaudible space before certain hits has been used for a LOOONG time. for someone who previously lauded "chopping by ear," you yourself should already know this.


By ear if you're doing everything on the MPC. Listen for the loudest peak, not just the first tiny click.

DC offset

corrected post MPC in sound forge. this doesn't stop me from programming a song in the mpc, which is the writing tool not the printing press.


I noticed a couple through a random check in Soundforge. Nothing major of course. Ones not starting on zero.

i used to be a stickler on crosspoints, before i realized it was a waste of time if you use the noggin. my drum programs have a default attack of 1, which creates an automatic zero crosspoint.


That's one thing that used to irritate most MPC4000 users, the default attack of 1. Sure, you may not notice it on a lot of sounds, but others you will. Still, editing by ear where you could end up with start points off axis, it might be useful. Depends on how you work. I'd still edit my samples properly on the computer and not have to worry about it.

it just takes a friendly gander at the MPC1000 jj forums to see otherwise. myself and many many others are actively using "that stuff." simple truth: you have more access to deep programming capabilities WITH these functions as opposed to without.


Well, good for them. There's still a lot of people out there making killer tracks on the MPC60, SP1200, MPC3000, MPC2000 etc. I'm guessing these are people like myself and other MPC500 users who can still get the job done regardless, and in my case be happy about getting it done without all the bells and whistles.

i thought your big concern was portability? and aren't you judging this whole speed thing from the 4000? you forgot that the 1000 operates at a way faster speed.


Portability of course, but only for making tracks or composing on the go. Not editing samples or sound design. Unless perhaps being creative and recording some live sound through a mic straight into the MPC500. Plus, I don't sample loops off vinyl.. gave up doing that back in 1993. But since then have recorded various musos whose parts I've sampled and chopped, and any keyboard parts I'll play myself. Anyway, I just use one big ready to go bank of sounds for multiple tracks and use single sequences for entire songs, rather than pasting together multiple sequences in song mode.
The speed I talk about is how quick I navigate the interface. With just a 2 line lcd on the 500 and the data wheel it's quick. No having to continually move a cursor around the screen which would slow me down on the 4000. That's all.

why because you don't understand either?


Well it's obviously a piano roll. If people actually use that, then good luck to them. Wouldn't have the patience myself.
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By Avene Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:30 am
Lithion wrote:Put up a link to your music Avenue


I assume you mean me? Just check my MySpace page.. The tracks date back to one I did on the MPC3000 10 years ago (all the girls). - http://www.myspace.com/avene
You can also check a few videos I've edited and photos on there too.
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By Avene Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:53 am
Ok, last post here.. I've already posted too much.

Essentially I'm just defending the MPC500 here. I own one and find it a great tool for making music, have not encountered any bugs and would recommend it. The fact that it can run on batteries is brilliant, along with the Roger Linn style step edit and all the rest. It can hold 128 programs, is quick to work with and lets me get tracks recorded without any fuss, especially with a bank of sounds ready to go.. chopped breaks, chopped basslines, keyboard sounds, fx etc. If I record a bum note, it can be fixed easily by either replaying the part or adjusting it in step edit. I definitely don't need a piono roll edit that looks like brail to complicate things.

Yes, there are a few features I'd like to see added. The main being the ability to trigger sampling from a MIDI note. A filter envelope would be nice too, but isn't an issue, and alternate looping would be ok also, even though I'd probably rarely use it.

What I don't like is when people who don't even own an MPC500 come into the MPC500 forum here and diss it. You will NEVER find me in the MPC1000 forums writing bad things about the MPC1000, and likewise you will NEVER find me dissing the MPC4000 in the MPC4000 forum because I sold it. That would just be immature. If I ever post there it will only be to offer insight on how certain functions work to others still using it. As they say, if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. Got a bug report? Then post it and make your complaints there.
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By J.Daniels Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:30 pm
you know its wierd, i was checking out the 500 in the store and in the back of my mind i was thinking like "how could akai release this peice of crap, without features x,y,z.." but then after playing with it, i have to say that it was pretty ****ing cool! I love the 404 because of its simplicity and size, but my main gripes are that the pads arent responsive and the sequencer isnt musical. But heres this little unit that is practically as raw as it gets while still maintaining its usability. Its got the bread and butter features of an mpc but it hasnt got all the (workflow crippling) bells and whistles of newer models.

plus its half the price of 1k's instore here in aus.
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By Antonym Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:03 pm
i have not been dissing the 500 in the least. what i have been doing is responding to incorrect and belittling statements about functions which you have not used. your language in the very first post "fiddly little functions" pretty much sums up your tone here. misinformation is what i'm dissing, not the 500.

finally, my last correction:

By the way, the loop points in your voice samples are off. Not sure if they're meant to be like that?


the 1000 has alternate loop, which allows you to create a loop point which plays start to end, then end to start in reverse, then start to end, etc etc etc. without alternate loop, another extremely useful, non-fiddly feature, you wouldn't be able to judge whether or not the loop points are "off."

i'm out, useless argument. most people already know the deal anyway.

By The Most Starving Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:56 pm
Well, I have to say. I got a chance to get a blue 1000 with JJos over the weekend. I now can say I did not realize the power of JJos. I'm loving it. Although I still feel the 500 is a good unit, the 1000 just makes my creative process easier when scrolling through menus.

By earwolf Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:00 pm
Avene wrote:Ok, last post here.. I've already posted too much.

Essentially I'm just defending the MPC500 here. I own one and find it a great tool for making music, have not encountered any bugs and would recommend it. The fact that it can run on batteries is brilliant, along with the Roger Linn style step edit and all the rest. It can hold 128 programs, is quick to work with and lets me get tracks recorded without any fuss, especially with a bank of sounds ready to go.. chopped breaks, chopped basslines, keyboard sounds, fx etc. If I record a bum note, it can be fixed easily by either replaying the part or adjusting it in step edit. I definitely don't need a piono roll edit that looks like brail to complicate things.

Yes, there are a few features I'd like to see added. The main being the ability to trigger sampling from a MIDI note. A filter envelope would be nice too, but isn't an issue, and alternate looping would be ok also, even though I'd probably rarely use it.

What I don't like is when people who don't even own an MPC500 come into the MPC500 forum here and diss it. You will NEVER find me in the MPC1000 forums writing bad things about the MPC1000, and likewise you will NEVER find me dissing the MPC4000 in the MPC4000 forum because I sold it. That would just be immature. If I ever post there it will only be to offer insight on how certain functions work to others still using it. As they say, if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. Got a bug report? Then post it and make your complaints there.


i think this is a pretty good post. the 500 clearly isn't for everyone, but then again neither is an s950, asr10 etc. the biggest issue i have with JJOS is that it has brought 'upgrade fever' to mpc owners, who were historically pretty much free from that craziness. there's definitely something to be said for a raw feature set, providing its the RIGHT raw feature set...
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By Avene Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:29 pm
Earwolf, very true. In the old days software updates were a bit of a pain, like with the MPC3000. Whenever there was an update you had to take it to the service department so they could flash the eprom. Even then, most of the updates were just speed enhancements and things like that.

By HaterNob Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:06 am
Does the 500 come with fall off if you press the pads to hard side cheeks like the 1000?

By Emilie Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:34 pm
Using the mpc-500 is like walking through a mine field! If ya take a wrong step, you'r ****! But if you know precise where the "mines" are you'r safe (almost)! My oppinion on this device is: It's not stable enough to sell yet!!! With the right software installed, it could be a really cool gadget!!!

By sighup Sun Sep 16, 2007 3:36 pm
There are design choices I don't love on the 500, but it's stable for me. I used in a live show on Thursday night, worked perfectly.