mpc1000 w/jjos - mv8000

Not true- The MV competes directly with the MPC-4000.

That's simply not true.
The MV was designed to be a all in one solution, that has never been the MPC.

* Akai could do too this via software but they dont'

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It's not that simple.
The 2500 has audio tracks but it's not the same as what Roland does.

The niche is percussion based sampler market. Roland saw that Akai had the market all to themselves and they simply wanted in on it.

Again the MV is a one box solution, nerver what the MPC was or intended to be.

You're off by several miles here. The MV doesn't use any VP technology. The audio track are simply tracks that trigger linear recorded samples. The only units that really use the Vari Phrase technology is the VariOS and the V-Synth. The Real Time Timestetch is just that. There is no special encoding and processing that makes the samples elastic as in the VP-9000, V-Synth , or VariOS

There were many differnt modes on the VP-9000, one was the one that used time based trigger points that allowed you to trigger the audio samples from different points in time, another allowed you to do things like realtime sliding of audio triggers etc.
There was a lot more to the VP-9000 than just elastic audio.
It's where Roland first got into Continous Sample Tracks and such.

Except for the occasional steal the MV is currently siting around 800 to 1k and the 2500 is no less than $1000 using ebay CL and the forum's 4 sale section as a reference.

Ebays says differently.

All I know is that Akai's hand will eventually be forced and that's good news for everyone. Competition brings better products and forces companies to put the needs of the customer first. If Akai builds another beast that improves my work I'll buy it if its competitively priced.

Akai's not that strong a company they are going with the path of least resistence.

I made my decision he made his - we're both happy. I still think your way off.
Let it die dude.

Just passing info and pointing out facts other than what people past from forum to forum.
Just more of the stuff that makes searches worthless.

Your reply button isn't hardwired so you aren't forced to reply.

No it isn't - , but your not speaking from first hand experience it seems - certainly not in regard to the MV. I just don't let wrong info go unchecked. Also too much of you post (and reply) isn't based on fact or real world examples.

Example: telling someone that the MV and MPC-2500 are readily available at the prices you listed is just plain untrue.

..or taking my statement out of context. I said specifically that the MV was set up to compete with the 4000- not replicate it or stay within feature limitations. The 4000 customer is who Roland was aiming for when they designed the MV. The was no 2500 or 1000 at the MV launch in 2004. The 4000 was the flagship.

The fact still remains that your still off on many of statements.

moyphee wrote:No it isn't - , but your not speaking from first hand experience it seems - certainly not in regard to the MV. I just don't let wrong info go unchecked. Also too much of you post (and reply) isn't based on fact or real world examples.

Example: telling someone that the MV and MPC-2500 are readily available at the prices you listed is just plain untrue.

..or taking my statement out of context. I said specifically that the MV was set up to compete with the 4000- not replicate it or stay within feature limitations. The 4000 customer is who Roland was aiming for when they designed the MV. The was no 2500 or 1000 at the MV launch in 2004.

The fact still remains that your still off on many of statements.

Do a search on eBay for completed auctions for MV's and 2500 even their prices are low.
You have dealers selling new 2500 for $1599 and the remaining MV8000's for $1299.
The used prices are constantly dropping.

Contrary to what you may think I am a fan of the MV not a hater, but Roland always competes on new ground never head to head.
Their product always have some twist that makes it really different from other pieces that look similar.
At the time of the MV's original release the MPC was still standing strong but software was beginning to challenge it.
Roland just took the MPC spot and expanding it by adding many things that required a computer.
A person comfortable on software should feel more comfortable on a MV than MPC because it a similar environment in many ways.
I hated the shortage of MIDI connections on the MV at first but with constructive use of re-sampling and audio tracks you can still work just as well, so I got over it.
Well it's been fun.
I'll keep you in mind if I have any problems with my 8000.

THE ADVERSARY wrote:
Do a search on eBay for completed auctions for MV's and 2500 even their prices are low.
You have dealers selling new 2500 for $1599 and the remaining MV8000's for $1299.

Thats a long way from this: ....with MV-8000 currently being so easy to find in the $500-600 price range, it's hard to pass them by.
Then again 2500 are easy to find in the $800-900 range.

The rest of your post i actually agree with for the most part.

moyphee wrote:

THE ADVERSARY wrote:
Do a search on eBay for completed auctions for MV's and 2500 even their prices are low.
You have dealers selling new 2500 for $1599 and the remaining MV8000's for $1299.

Thats a long way from this: ....with MV-8000 currently being so easy to find in the $500-600 price range, it's hard to pass them by.
Then again 2500 are easy to find in the $800-900 range.

The rest of your post i actually agree with for the most part.

It was two different statements.
1) Check eBay to see what they have gone for used.
2) Dealers like Sam Ash and Guitar Center are even doing $1599 for 2500's and $1299 for MV8000's.
Let alone the b-stocks and refurbs that are available from many dealers.
Just got to shop around and know the going rate.
I guess sometimes my statements aren't as clear as I think.
Well we hi-jacked this thread so I guess we should give it back.

Well we hi-jacked this thread so I guess we should give it back.

Agreed!

The MV is and never really was a MPC killer, it was designed for people who didn't need all the MPC aspects but needed more DAW/computer type functions to complete their workflow.

You can't be serious.

Tell me, exactly, what a mpc can do that the mv can't.

I think what you meant to say (or should have said) is that the Mv was designed for people that wanted the MPC aspects, but a whole lot more too... (pretty much the opposite of what you said)

The MPC can do things that the MV cant do? not really.

1 - The MPC has that legendary sequencer.
2 - The MPC has a better resume ( proven success passed test of time )
3 - MPC are not supposed to be all in one box and akai went damn near broke when they tried to make one ( mpc 4000 )

True these are things not measured by a side by side comparison chart, but the intangibles dont show up on a spec sheet. The MPC is a MPC. If I wanted a PC for beat making I would rock actually a pc with a a midi controller with/or pads - not a so-called all in one machine with a 4 inch screen.


I actually think, MPC's are a alternate to PC beatmaking, The MV ( mark my words ) will NOT pass the test of time due to its actually competing with PC beatmaking. when i say the test of time i mean 10-15 years of hard sales and popular demand and seeing one in every studio you go into. the MV came out in 2003 ------ I mean why on gods earth would anyone like 24bit? oh well.

The MV ( mark my words ) will NOT pass the test of time due to its actually competing with PC beatmaking. when i say the test of time i mean 10-15 years of hard sales and popular demand and seeing one in every studio you go into. the MV came out in 2003 ------

Well, I certainly don't care about it "passing the test of time".... I use mine everyday and I love it. Why would it matter to me, or anyone else, what other people are thinking about it, or how the sales are....today, or in 15 years..

This is the strange thing I never understand about people and gear. It's like people that pay hundreds of dollars to have FORAT paint their gear...I just don't understand..

Same thing with people worrying about who's using what, or how well something is selling. If you like your mpc fine, then stick with it. I don't think anyone cares. I've had the 1000, 2000xl, and 4000, and now all I have is the MV. I may get a 2000 sometime, but I'll always stick with my MV..

I mean why on gods earth would anyone like 24bit? oh well.

This is a strange question, and I think you're confused about a few things[/quote]

Tell me, exactly, what a mpc can do that the mv can't.
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1 - I was just answering the question playboy, without any feelings or emotions.

2 - In no way am I trying to push people on to what to buy.
my last name isnt akai or roland so i could care less.

3 - You are right the end result is what matters. I use a asr10 ( 450.00 bucks ) so lets compare beats to show that the machines does not matter...ready when you are, unless you are just a gear collector with wack music.

sure:

www.myspace.com/belmontrecords

lol ---- ok. here you go. all on a asr10/eps combo. no mpc nothing.

asr10/eps/turntable/1 record.


http://www.zshare.net/audio/4057764beaf922/


PS.

Step up your game homie.

ahahha...So I guess you're saying you're better than me? haha...ok

Look, I'm not on here to hate on other people's music, that's not my bag, so I'll say your track was decent for a repeating 4 bar loop and a couple cut outs... I got no reason to diss your tune.

By the way, the first track on my page, with the rapper over it, has no samples in it. I'm not even sure about the other tracks, since I can't get on Myspace at work..but oh well... I'll let them speak for themselves.

You went and got your feelings hurt because I said I couldn't care less if a piece of gear passes "the test of time." It's no big deal, my man. Do you.