thinking about switching from an mpc 2000xl to mv 8800

has anyone done this and what do yal think about it i know this is an mpc forum but why not ask yall dont worry im keeping my 2000xl just thinking about adding to my arsenal

My friend macros did that. search the forum for a thread by macros and you can find some info.. I was almost going to make the switch when he did, but I'm glad I didn't. After using his, the samples chop wierd, the pads are weak, its just sorta uncomfortable. Plus loading things is not much faster.

I make beats with macros all the time so I use it alot. I'm glad I get to come home to the 2kxl. Granted some of the bells and whisles are nice, but instead of shelling for a 8800 I bought a duo-core processor for my comp, with SONAR 6 & Sound Forge. Witha flash card reader for your MPC and comp its no question. Transfering loops and samples between them is easy. If your looking to shell out for a studio addition, I would say,look into a analog synth or something.

i been looking into analogue synths man but i cant find anything cheap that has decent ambience and bass sounds.

it sucks. i got frauded a few months ago on ebay for a model d moog.

that is what i want. but my pocket now is shallow az.

trying to figure out how cats get bass with out using the low end theory because i cant seem to get that to work.

the only digital synth i would get would be the mircokorg, theyre pretty rippy, ive used my friends a bit and theyre so easy and you can have fun for hours.

look into a korg MS2000. I have one of those(the rack version) and I use it all the time. It makes tight sounds...easier than the micro korg but has the same modeling chip so it makes the same sounds as the microkorg.

rack version is about 250-300
keyboard version 350-450

...you got frauded on ebay? did they get your cash?
thats weak cuz I look for moogs all the time on ebay. don't know if i'd purchase one now.......I actually had some one try to hustle me on ebay for a ms2000. He told me to send a cashiers check to him and he would have someone drop it by my house later... WTF is that shi+ fools are trippin. So I found it on craigslist

good luck

Hello,

I owned an MV8000 for two weeks before sending it back to the store. Im not an mpc die hard so I have no axe to grind and I really like a lot of Roland gear but the MV has one major problem thats a total showstopper and its the midi timing. Its not that the MV plays out of time its just incredibly difficult to get your rythms to playback as you intended and it has that Roland sequencers feel stamped all over it and I dont like it.

Before i purchased it I had a bad feeling about the timing because I watched the videos of Mike Acosta on the Roland website and I swear to you the demo he was doing had a weird feel and you could hear the flanging notes but I still went ahead because I thought it was maybe just the sounds he was using. Within two minutes of playing with the MV I knew I had a problem on my hands. I tried very hard to get it right but it became very frustrating having to re-record what should ahve been simple rythms over and over again. At the MV forum they will say its user error and this is insulting to someone like me who has been using sequencers since 1983. I know when somethings not right and the MV isnt.

Like I say its not that the MV has a bad timing algorithm its probably that its to accurate. I think the software interprets the players style and shifts the notes according to what it thinks you were after. But the problem is it causes more problems than it solves and I think its far to sensitive. If you think about it no sofwtare sequencers suffer from this problem and stuff like Logic and SX has a resolution 10 times higher than an MV but yet when you record straight 1/16s in them there is no problem. You see, an MV cant seem to interpret a simple 1/16 straigh quantise and add that to the constant double notes you will need to edit it simply takes the joy out of banging pads and making music. At the end of the day your MPC2ks feel will blow the MV away and I can guarantee you that.

Its a real shame because the MV is an excellent piece of kit and function wise it simply blows away the whole MPC range except for the 4k. But its all a nit pointless if the timing isnt right.

My advice is definitely try one before you buy and dont get carried away with the features you have on an MV. While those features are great and can away you to buy one I must say that the limitations you have with an MPC2k are a good thing.

I have a 2kxl and if I wanted to upgrade I would go for an MPC4k. But for now with an MPC and a daw I can achieve anything an MPC4k can and a lot more but at the centre of operations is the mpc and its mainly there for its groove capabilities.

showbot wrote:look into a korg MS2000. I have one of those(the rack version) and I use it all the time. It makes tight sounds...easier than the micro korg but has the same modeling chip so it makes the same sounds as the microkorg.

cosign. had the micro and didnt like it. faster access to params with the ms2kbr that i got

++Yea that MV look slick but the pads, in my opinion, are terrible.++

maaaan **** the mv

duke aint no mv gon give you that mp feel

Started on 2000xl. Sold it.

Got a MV-8000 about 2 years later to try music again. Made some good stuff, but for me personally i didnt have time to sit down and really open up the machines capabilities. It was more than my creative process needed, but i worked with it of course. Sold it, to pursue other things.

Just got back an 2000xl because i missed music. I havent even used it yet and i just feel back at home. I dont think im parting with it.

If you want an all in one type deal MV is where its at. But if your using a good daw program with it, i think its overkill. But we all have different workflows and preferences.

Just be aware a big question on the MV forums is "how can i do this like the mpc" and u will find alot of tricks on the mp cant be done on the MV (lack of 16 levels was annoying, and also the options the mp has with making one pad, cut off another pad, or how a pad plays. I couldnt duplicate in the MV. that could just be neglagence). So you will have to adjust your workflow and for me that slowed down my creativity. I just wanna make music, the 2000xl let me get to that quicker. I can deal with the old school media methods (MCD is all i need to stay current)

The MV has all those functions Pworld.

But with that said, I kind of agree with everyone. If you have a fast computer with DAW software then you will be able to do everything the MV can do.

The sequencer's timing is quite different than the MPC. I think this is mainly because of the higher resolution. If you are off beat by a slight amount, the MV will catch it. When I'm sequencing with the MPC I feel as though if I just calously bang away, everything will still fall relatively in the right place. Probably not a good thing if you wanna train to have perfect timing, but it definitely allows you to work faster. But with that said, I have also heard that you can adjust the resolution of the MV's sequencer.

The features are pretty damn cool with the MV tho. If I didn't have a decent DAW set-up I would have definitely kept the MV. Its clear that the MV was designed as an all-in-one studio unit. Plus the price on the MV's used aren't that bad especially when you compare to the MPC 2500 or the 4K (although they are all overpriced in my opinion).

I also hated that it was so damn gigantic. Not a great machine if you are limited on space. I got my set-up in a tiny bedroom so it made me feel claustrophobic and eventually the MV started to feel like having an annoying fat chick sitting on your lap.

Tohtruck wrote:...and eventually the MV started to feel like having an annoying fat chick sitting on your lap.

What if she isn't annoying though?

Couldn't resist and its still a little early.

Peace,
KM

before i got my mpc 2000 xl i had the mv8800 for about 6 months. the whole workflow was terrible. i had 512 mb ram a mouse and a 19" screen. but thats whack. you wont need 512 mb ram, 32 mb like the mpc got is just fine. and with the screen you will make your beats 90% with your eyes and 10% with your ears. thats not the right way.
since i am working with the mpc i understand what everybody is saying: the mpc rocks!

the timing of the mv was also whack. when i synced it (midi clock) with my daw, it freezed every time.

peace

everyone has their cup of tea, my 2cents is that the 2kxl work flow is unparalleled, not to mention the sound and swing that will only come from an akai mpc. just my 2cents