how is jj os today?

by telling u this im giving away my methods of production but here it goes anyways sense 2 years of bugs and hell on a 1g machine wasnt fun and this is payback.


the original bpm matters for the sample to play correctly with another tempo at a weird number.. the idea of changing tempo for a pp is important cause u can speed it up makeing it 2 bars or 4 bars long by doubling the bpm..then u can drop it to a tuner in the mpc wheter thru 16levels or by tune alone u can give it any pitch u want vs old method of tuning with is by tuning the sample to sync in the 1bar of ur track and having to change the second screen of pitch by changing it an octave higher to get the double bpm effect..this is an old method of pitchshifting..and yes this method i use alot

if u know how to sample small then u will love the pp and the slicer together..if u know how to loop and splice u will love the pp..cause after u find all the hitpoints of a sound u can give it a release and its original bpm..i find pp much nicer sounding then using akais timestretch witch is great but sucks when u stretch out far..the pp doesnt leave any nasty effects and if it does u **** up.

u can have up to 6 versions of a pitchd shift sample to be in sync with a track using the tuner where as the pp u can have up to 6 versions of one pp sample at any pitch u want be in sync with a track.. pp is awesome and in order to have those 6 different versions of a pp sample u have to be able to double up or bring the tempo down to have those varitions..but right now pp is broken in jj os cause i cant change the tempo..also its important incase u goof on knowing the tempo of ur sample u can go back to change the tempo..

let me dumb it down..when u splice a sample with a slicer and then drop it to pp and give it the bpm with all the hit points u added itll play back at the tics of ur main bpm of ur song..pp is the quciker way of slicing vs old method witch is drop the sample to the slicer and extract it to a new program...when u extract to a new program the samples will be at a set tempo and if u change that bpm the samples in ur program will be out of sync unless u sample real small and gave every individual sample its own space in time.. see my mind works all over the place.. but im sayn pp is teh shit..

the original bpm matters and if u know how to count beats then finding out the tempo isnt hard at all..play with pp make resample a performance of ur self and sense u know how to splice go ahead slice away all the hitpoints and then give it the original main track bpm then i want u to take ur old resampled sample not the pp one but the original one u made and then drop it to pp and give it a false original bpm and see what happens...the sample u gave with a false bpm will be out of sync..

naugie wrote:backwards compatibility is my next question..if say u made a project on an earlier jj os and upgrade to a new jj update does ur projects still work the same.. how bout them qlink sliders?

i've had problems with this - some older projects with lots of q-link automation
(volume, filter, layer etc) don't play correctly on newer versions of JJ.
i think the q-link data gets read and interpreted by multiple tracks at once,
meaning irregular jumps in whatever parameter was automated.

this was a little while ago though, and this could be fixed by now (anybody?)
but it's meant that i've just been working on one of the older JJ versions that
i found to be pretty stable.

you dont need to dumb it down for me, i understand what you are using it for and why.

i'll poke around. i'd be suprised if its completely gone out of the JJ OS, but i've don't use patched phrases. i grew up on a 2000 (nonXL) and it didn't have any of the chop-shop/slicing/stretch stuff. i can see where it would be interesting for variations of the same sample by changing the amount of stretch and release for different versions.

once you have a patched phrase you assign those to pads right?
so can you assign 4 different patch phrases to the same pad with velocity switching?

that seems like it could be fun for one or two shots instead of 1 bar loops.

naugie you've gotta take a crash course in humility when it comes to mpc os's

im not catching ur drift nym what do u mean?

most of u guys have never used ur mpc1000 to the fullest..alot of u cats are rompler users with minimal sampling use and never resample..many of u dont even use the step editor in mpc1000 witch blows my mind.. im asking the help of an experienced full blown akai samplist to come out with some answers not some half fast user who never scraped the surface of an mpc1000... like i am to the 2.11 os i use it to the max i want a max user from the jj side to come out of the closet..

this just comes across real bad dude. not in the least because it's taken you this long to realize that 2.11 is unusable. i remember you saying something about "you want someone to get heard" regarding the akai os, which i guess is admirable, but man you must have beat that dead horse to bonemeal by now!

in short, i amicably suggest that you get with the program.

as a whole this subforum isn't reallly for people who don't venture into step edit. a lot of folks here are pretty deep into step edit, let alone grid edit and midi edit. just about anyone here is going to be able to answer your questions as they're all fairly jj os-introductory

but i'll briefly answer the questions which i've read here from my perspective.

1 - is there a showstopping bug in the jj os: no.
2 - is there a comparable saving bug in the jj os to the akai os: no.
3 - is the timestretch different: no click in the beginning, otherwise no. is it unusable? no.
4 - still a step editor: yes, of course, though it's no longer necessary.
5 - is there a stable version of the jj os: any version of the jj os is more stable than the akai os, which will break your sequence data if you try to move events in step edit. as you noted, and doubtlessly reported to akai several times.
6 - are there more bugs: no. not in any way you look at it, despite what loudmouthed rabble rousers claim. again: THERE ARE LESS BUGS IN THE CURRENT JJ OS THAN IN AKAI 2.01.
7 - backwards compatibility: dunno. i don't look back.
8 - qlink sliders: work fine.
9 - song mode work from tempo to tempo: insert final tempo changes ONLY after converting your whole song to 1 sequence.
10 - does loop feature bleed: hell no. plus, check out Alternate loop to make your hair stand on end.

selfish is me going third party and not supporting my product

wrong wrong wrong. the word you're looking for here is PROGRESS, not selfish.

akai os can do the same as the jj os

nope. here's a brief list of what the akai os can not do BESIDES operate in a reliable manner: bit convert, ring mod, grid edit, midi roll, qreal edit, tempo qlink, qlink to timing controls, qlink to track, simult, simult sequence, alternate loop...i stop because i've echoed the features a million times AND they're all visible on the jj os page.

the usb auto unmount is sexy vs manual unmounts unplug and pray...

this is the last of a loooong list of reasons why i'd tout this operating system.

im retiring from akai os and i done all i can for them until the next update right now i just need a working os cause i wanna make some tracks and finish this project for a group.

congratulations, sincerely. good for you. in a year you'll look back and laugh at yourself for waiting so long.

hope this helped.
nym

as for patched phrase, i don't know because i don't use em.

you could always report it.
take a screenshot of the original os and the jj os and illustrated the difference in clear, easy to understand english. no complicated clauses, no slang.

nym man u always come through to me with a wall of answers..u truly are an mpc king dude thank u so much dude

1 - is there a showstopping bug in the jj os: no. <---this one a true seller for me to want jj in bed coming from nym..the 3.07 i see jj brought back splice by equal lentgh gots to have me acid cuts..whast this alternate loop feature u say? is it crossfading?

btw i already found 2 bugs in the jjos 3.07 one bug is in the splicer and another is in the loop feature.

in the splicer when u splice by equal lentgh and u are moving one of the regions over to get rid of the second region u wont be able to zoom in on the end point of the sample.. of the first region eating both region 2 and 3. u have to zoom out to see what regions its eating..

in original akai os 2.11 u can zoom in on end and start points of the splice parts

in the loop feature somtimes the qlink slider gets stuck and when u move it around the samples will drop or rise dpending on wheter u raise it high or low but it is not visible on screen if ur moving the loop or the trim points

naugie wrote:btw i already found 2 bugs in the jjos 3.07 one bug is in the splicer and another is in the loop feature.

3.07 is nearly as relic as 2.11 - do you hunt woolly mammoths for your dinner?

naugie wrote:i hope u understand my position on this. and yes i own an mpc1000 been using it now for 2 years. most of u guys have never used ur mpc1000 to the fullest..alot of u cats are rompler users with minimal sampling use and never resample..many of u dont even use the step editor in mpc1000 witch blows my mind.. im asking the help of an experienced full blown akai samplist to come out with some answers not some half fast user who never scraped the surface of an mpc1000... like i am to the 2.11 os i use it to the max i want a max user from the jj side to come out of the closet..

u r 1 chi key fka

nice 1

jj os is for max users, get it now.
forget os2.11, its wack.

stupid of me that i was thinking you can actually use an mpc to make music

i just wanna bash some pads when i'm angry

To get a better idea of the JJ OS try the features your most concerned about in the latest version it will work exactly the same but without the option to save. Use 3.07 for making your beats before you decide to spend the 30 dollars.
The time i save using this OS is worth way more than 15 quid to me, let alone the creative possiblities.
In 4.8x:

Patchphrase works fine - you can adjust the tempo to your hearts content.

The autochop/splicing features are vastly improved over the Akai. Spend a couple of hours getting used to it and save days chopping samples!

As an analogy: the mpc doesn't come with 128mb as standard and the non akai ram is way cheaper- I got it to get the most out of my mpc..
The mpc doesn't come with the JJOS as standard -I got it to get the most out of my mpc.

naugie wrote:ive been busy testing out the akai os 2.11 for bug reports to akai..

Do you think Akai is going to release an update some day?

I'm sorry naugie but seein as halloween is just around the corner
a witch is on a broom stick that can fly in front of the moon which is powered by magic.