Chord Progression and Circle of 5ths?

digital, i agree, i agree. i just finished my second painting and i think my sh*t is DOPE. who the F*ck needs training, this sh*t is easy. put up a canvas, mixed the paint and paint. i do not know what brushes to use or the correct strokes but my sh*t is dope anyway. this sh*t is so easy i think i am going to put on a show of my work. i could bangout aleast 10 paintings a day.

You do that.

I bet you're better off painting tic-tac-toe games than writing music anyway.

digital,

my music may s*ck but i went to berklee for 2 years, do you think you could get in? plus, i own a mpc, recycle, sound forge, acid 4.0 and have half decend ear SO I AM A HIPHOP PRODUCER anyway.

if you take two individual with the same talent, for 1 year one of the individual each day practice scales (maj, min, chromatic etc) and chords (circle of 4th and 5th, maj, min, traid, 7th, 9th, 11th, 12th) for 30 min a day and the other individual just depended on there ear, who would make better tunes after on year?

this is a pretty basic concept. THE MORE YOU KNOW THE BETTER YOUR MUSIC WILL SOUND (EVEN AFTER THE BUD WEARS OFF).

mwalker wrote:my music may s*ck but i went to berklee for 2 years, do you think you could get in?

So, if your music still sucks, what good did it do you? And to answer your question, it depends on the programs they have at berklee. I don't think I'd travel across the world (literally) to go to a school though, so it's a moot point.

mwalker wrote:if you take two individual with the same talent, for 1 year one of the individual each day practice scales (maj, min, chromatic etc) and chords (circle of 4th and 5th, maj, min, traid, 7th, 9th, 11th, 12th) for 30 min a day and the other individual just depended on there ear, who would make better tunes after on year?

One of them would be better at playing scales and chords. If that consitutes making better music is a matter of taste. There's no doubt Joe Satriani is a good guitar player, I just think his songs stink, all technique and no soul.

mwalker wrote:this is a pretty basic concept. THE MORE YOU KNOW THE BETTER YOUR MUSIC WILL SOUND (EVEN AFTER THE BUD WEARS OFF).

I think you're oversimplifying the issue. I don't want to promote ignorance, but intuition (or gut feeling if you will) shouldn't be overlooked as a vehicle of creativity. Your songs don't automatically get better just because you've been playing scales on the piano until your fingers bleed.

I spent 6 years taking lessons, and all it did was lock me up. Others may fare differently, but it's not a guaranteed fact.

gotta agree with mwalker...if your not willing to improve your knowledge and skills your music cant get any better....

greg

dubmunkey wrote:gotta agree with mwalker...if your not willing to improve your knowledge and skills your music cant get any better....

I can't argue with that, BUT I didn't say that you shouldn't learn, I just said that a formal education might not be the way to go for everybody.

But what do I know, I'm just an uneducated imbecil.

*double post

digital_bastard wrote:I just said that a formal education might not be the way to go for everybody.

amen!

that wasm't aimed at you digi...i have a terrible habit of answering posts which are half way through the thread and then finding out everyone has answered already...

greg

i think going to music school is a formal eduacation, taking 10 lessons from a local music teacher or a student from a music school is not a formal music education. i am just talking about learning the basic. by learning the basic you could teach yourself the correct way of fingering, chords, scales, and then apply those technics to your music. if prince, jimmy jam/terry lewis, quincy jones, and list goes on has a theory background you do not think it would help you. yes, it is allot of disapline in volved and practice too. point being, whatever you put into the learning process you will get if back 2 fold. there is someone on this board who is taking this advice and in time will wept the rewards.

just try 10 lessons, practice that sh*t for a year and see for yourself.

I think Keith Jarett went to Berkely and he lasted about a year at the school. Formal education can lock up your mind, I agree with digital B. I did formal training and it closed me in a box for years. Studying the classics gets you out of the loop somehow. Why study music made 200 years ago? Really. Beethoven, alright, I'll make an exception.

I don't think you should practice scales at all, until you know what the function of the scales are. Most people think the more scales you know that it'll get you out of jams. Nothing is further from the truth. Start listening to what you're playing, make up your own runs. Scales are great for building technique. Scales are not the answers to the pop quiz you get as a musician, experience is.

keith jarett is a great keyboard player, do you think he know scales and chords? you have to get accepted to berklee, not just walk in. do you think keith had lesson before he went to berklee? i think so. do you think keith know theory? i thnk so. for every person that drops out of berklee there are hundreds that graduate. i went to school with steve vai (frank zappa frame) and he graduated. i do not know what you are saying.

formal education is a weeding out process (if you understant) and not for everyone. i am talking about learning music technic, whether from a bubble gum wrapper, the crack head on the corner, or teaching yourself.

yeah learning a few chords aint formal its damn essential....i feel all the music theory knowledge i have pikced up has improved my music.....but ive never had a formal education......i want keyboard lessons but dont consider that 'formal' either...

greg

dubmunkey, thank you.

Don't get me wrong, Berklee is probably the greatest place for a practical education in music. I have tons of respect for anyone that can graduate from Berklee, I was just going on the point that formal training is not for everyone. That's all. Please don't take offence. The more you can learn the better your options are, I don't doubt that. Sometimes people can use theory as a way of compensating for their lack of experience in the field, and I'm speaking about myself not you or anyone else on this forum.