Legato mode like Ableton Live?

Hi. I have a question regarding the MPC and JJ OS hoping that it can replace using a computer running Ableton Live.

I noticed the IMMEDIATELY START and IMMEDIATELY PLAY options in the NEXT SEQ mode which reminds me of similar features in Ableton Live. The IMMEDIATELY START option is like triggering clips in the same track (essentially Mute Groups) in Ableton Live where the newly triggered clip cuts off the previously playing clip and each clip triggers from its start point. The IMMEDIATELY PLAY option is just like turning on Legato mode in Ableton Live which causes one clip to take over at the same position in the bar as the one previously playing.

The difference with Ableton Live regards to this, aside from the fact that Live can do this on the clip level (in MPC terms, this would be like pads/samples instead of doing it with sequences), you can also have some clips trigger normally from their start points and have some clips trigger as Legato mode.

So my question was, is there a way to do this in MPC1000 and JJ OS where you can essentially mix and match IMMEDIATELY START and IMMEDIATELY PLAY depending on sequences? It doesn't have to be with sequences. In fact, I'd prefer if you could do this with pads/samples.

I have another question. There's no way on the MPC to record the triggering in the NEXT SEQ mode is there? I guess the closest thing would be to resample your sequences into audio and just record the triggering inside a new sequence but then you don't get the Legato (IMMEDIATELY PLAY) mode...

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emptysea wrote:I have another question. There's no way on the MPC to record the triggering in the NEXT SEQ mode is there? I guess the closest thing would be to resample your sequences into audio and just record the triggering inside a new sequence but then you don't get the Legato (IMMEDIATELY PLAY) mode...

u can setup midi program changes usually from an external midi source,but in next seq u can trigger the seq# appropriate to a received prog change#, i know its possible to write a seq full of various prog changes, use it as a simult seq, then route midi out to in and the simult seq will trigger the seq changes. it would be good to be able to just record a 'sequence' of seq changes on the mpc though because the 'immediate play' and immediate start' are great functions.

It's really too bad MPC can't do Legato mode triggering with audio samples. I guess I'm just spoiled by Ableton Live.

it can with audio samples, just not sequences.

Mr modnaR wrote:it can with audio samples, just not sequences.

Really? It appears to me that it's the opposite. The closest the MPC can come to Ableton's Legato mode is with the NEXT SEQ's IMMEDIATELY PLAY option which is only with sequences and not as flexible because Ableton allows you to do this with both audio and midi as well as being able to choose if a clip triggers as Legato or not (like being able to choose per sequence if it will use IMMEDIATELY START or IMMEDIATELY PLAY) and being able to record the triggered performance. How can the MPC do Legato with audio samples?

Well I you can use lagato in pretty much any hardware/program they have out right now. It's not some amazing feature that only live has. If you are talking about just samples cutting each other off then change your program to mono or poly. I forgot which one. If not then I dont understand what you are talking about.

arondbeats wrote:Well I you can use lagato in pretty much any hardware/program they have out right now. It's not some amazing feature that only live has. If you are talking about just samples cutting each other off then change your program to mono or poly. I forgot which one. If not then I dont understand what you are talking about.

No, Legato is not Mute Groups. As I've already explained many times in this thread, it's like NEXT SEQ's IMMEDIATELY PLAY option. If you've ever used that feature, you'll know what I'm talking about.

I'll emphasize the part in my original post. Read carefully:
It causes one clip to take over at the same position in the bar as the one previously playing.

The key part being "the same position in the bar". It's not just about a new sample cutting off a previous playing sample. It's about a new sample taking over a previous sample in the same play position of the previous sample when the new clip is triggered. So for example, if you trigger a sample while the currently playing sample arrives at the beginning of the second bar, the newly triggered sample will take over by starting to play from its second bar.

aah i see. yes that would be good to have.

Set the tracks to audio and configure the samples in the program to be one shot.
Using grid edit, set the first note to play a single pad for the first audio track. For the next audio track set the first note to play the next pad, and so on, so each audio track triggers a different pad and therefore a different sample.

Use the solo function on track mute and select pad bank D to get at the audio tracks.

I believe this will do what you want, but is quite limited.
The track mutes for audio actually mute the audio but doesn't stop it being triggered or stop it playing "in the background".

For drum and midi it stops the triggers and as far as I can tell sends a note off message too.


The functionality you describe is highly desirable. Perhaps you could suggest it to JJ? You never know, he might go for it. It's worth a shot.