Data Wheel Increments

I have searched the forum already and not found an answer to this question yet so here goes.

Why is it that when adjusting the start/end point of a region if I toggle the data wheel a single step the start/end point increments by many values?

I can't seem to be able to 'fine tune' the start/end points because a single movement of the data wheel adjusts the start/end point by many values.

Funnily enough, the actual chops sound okay but I would seem to be that you should be able to set the start/end points in increments of 1.

I hope this question makes sense and that someone can put me straight.


BTW....after having the MP for a month I am converted. I used to use Recycle but it is so much easier to grab the audio and chop/assign all on the MPC. Now the PC stays switched off until I am ready to mix down....no messing with rippers and cropping big wav files just for a 3 second sample. I think the beat manual knocks the MPC's interface for chopping (and advises you to use software). Maybe before JJ that was true but I find the MPC more effective than messing with software (once you get the hang of it.)

i'm not sure, but perhaps Professor Zoom could help?

ok...i get the subtle hint

heh heh, it's all good man.

yeah, it sucks. in order to fine tune start and end points you have to zoom in with the JJ OS. it's been one of my major gripes since i moved to it. you should be able to fine tune no matter what zoom just by slowly moving the data wheel. if you move the data wheel faster, it should make the larger jumps.

On mostly all wav editor's you have to zoom to get better adjustments.

master-ceo wrote:On mostly all wav editor's you have to zoom to get better adjustments.

on mostly all SOFTWARE wav editors you have to zoom to get better adjustments.

software editors also have the luxiury of running on computers that are able to accomodate 19 inch screens and high pixel resolution.

lots of hardware samplers don't even have a graphical waveform display. and the mpc's waveform display doesn't exactly have the greatest accuracy. it's ridiculous that you have to hit zoom 10 times to adjust the end point by a single digit. and typing in the end point isn't a good alternative because if you mistype, you've completely lost your end point.

you shouldn't be relying on the graphical representation of the wav anyway. you should be listening to what the sample sounds like, and adjust the end points based on what sounds right.

the current jj os trim beats the hell out of the way it was in the akai os's in my opinion. i'd rather zoom, see, AND hear than adjust increment and listen.

Antonym wrote:the current jj os trim beats the hell out of the way it was in the akai os's in my opinion. i'd rather zoom, see, AND hear than adjust increment and listen.

have you used a 2000xl? you'd prefer that method. doesn't matter what zoom setting you're at, you can spin the data wheel slow to move by single digits or spin it faster to move by tens, hundreds, etc.

i've used the 2000xl, the 2500 akai OS, and the 2500 JJ OS, and the 2000xl method blows the others out of the water.

so like i said, you shouldn't have to zoom in to change an end point by a single digit.

yeah that sounds real nice but i don't know if it's possible to measure DW acceleration...it may be an issue of hardware. if i remember, the 2000xl data wheel was undetented, but i may be wrong.

otherwise, that sure would be nice to have velocity acceleration coupled with the zoom functions. best of both worlds.

it's possible.

all you do is set a datetime variable with each click of the data wheel. the next time it clicks, you check the datediff between the current time and the last variable that was set before resetting the variable again. the smaller the datediff, the quicker the data wheel is spinning, the larger the datediff, the slower the data wheel is spinning.

tap tempo probably uses the same method.

the 2000xl's data wheel spun smoothly, it didn't click as loud as the 2500 and that may be why they opted not to program it that way, thinking it was more likely to break. but regardless, it was a huge time saver that they shouldn't have left out.

If I remember correctly, earlier JJ OS versions experimented with that. I seem to remember a couple of OS versions where he tried to make it so the faster you spun the wheel, the larger the increments, maybe it was only in TRIM. But I think it was kinda clumsy so he killed it.

To Mike.....I agree the wav form display is only a means of getting in the ballpark with your chops.

Your ears are definitly the most accurate judge and I am starting to learn that.

In fact, being new to the MPC (from software) I am finding I have to use my ears so much more than before. Having a huge piano roll and wav interface on software tools makes you think visually but the MPC makes you think sonically. So in my opinon the MPs are much better for composition while a DAW is unbeatable for arranging/mixing.