JJ´os 2 - I will buy this if iclude an "pattern secuencer"..

..... instead the song mode (an not usefull function for me).
There was the only important change that jj can offer to us with his operating system, the rest is only cosmetics!

aaaaaah!...... and need to listen the sounds that you need "to load" from the disk at the same time of the sequence..... Very,very,very important question that isn´t in the actual OS.

way back in the day, when the jj os was just for the 1000, there was a list of features that the programmer was planning on putting in.

Midi CC in-->qreal was there

so was this mysteriously named "PATTERN." i hope this is what you have in mind, because it'd be great.

what is your idea of a pattern sequencer and what makes it significantly better than song mode? explain your ideal. would it be similar to reason 3.0's "colored box" method? i agree that song mode is completely outdated and could use some beefing up.

There was the only important change that jj can offer to us with his operating system, the rest is only cosmetics!

you never know man. i've at times not used a new function only to discover it later and decide it's the greatest thing since roast pheasant

my idea of a "pattern sequencer" is something similar to FLstudio, If I would re-design the song mode I convert it in a secuencer of "secuences", like an piano roll of drum track with the secuence 1, secuence 2, secuence 3 (a mix with the "simult secuence", "song mode" and "mute tracks"....... the programing of a song can be more fluid with this, the structure of a song could be do in less time,the song mode is not bad, but for a complex song it´s turn "slowly", the workflow of the secuencer today is not good optimice like the workflow of other secuencers.

I´m going to read the rewiew of the new functions in the mpc1000 forum, thanks!

(I read myself and thinking that my english is the sither sith of the very deeper ass, I hope that jj can understand that!, please try it!!!!!!)

stop requesting BS!

patterns from FL is stupid to add since you can just use tracks and mute/unmute them.

patterns are basically synonymous with tracks.

It´s not the same

oh yeah? then please explain to everyone how they're different.

i'll explain why they are the same.

let's say you have 5 patterns in FL.

pattern 1 = kicks
pattern 2 = snares
pattern 3 = hi hats
pattern 4 = bass
pattern 5 = melody

in the pattern sequencer, you can set it so that the first two bars only play hi hats, then you bring the snare in for 2 bars, then the bass, kicks and melody. later on you can take out the melody and just have drums and bass.

now how is that not synonymous with having kicks on track 1, snares on track 2, hi hats on track 3, bass on track 4 and your melody in track 5 on an mpc and just using track mutes?

well, i think it can be agreed that interesting, useful things could be done with song mode. seq edit, too. even if it's just improving the on original concept, like OPM to GPE.

Antonym, you can think of FL's "pattern sequencer" as a grid edit for track mutes. you "paint" the grid at the bar where you want the tracks to play.

so like i said, patterns are the same as tracks.

I try to explain me: A song can be one loop that repeats itself 200 times with the only change of a guitar in the end , or can be a complex maremagnum of changes, basslines and sounds with no "repetitions" of the same "bar". If you can mix the bass that you are touch in the "secuence1" with the drum that is in the "secuence2" and in the next bar you can mix this bass with the drum of the "secuence4" you can do a more "complex" song. With track mutes you can´t do it, because you need to have previously a "linear secuence" with all the changes.

Are you agree?

I think that the "song-mode" of the mpc can not be compare with other secuencers, is the worst, need a big actualization and I think that It would be not dificult to be implemented, it´s only made a "big" simult secuence/track mute/song mode mix.

Just start your beat in one Sequence then break the different tracks down (using track mutes) into different sequences for changeups. That way all the tracks in every sequence are the same and you can mix/match as you please.

Antonym, you can think of FL's "pattern sequencer" as a grid edit for track mutes. you "paint" the grid at the bar where you want the tracks to play.

so like i said, patterns are the same as tracks.

i've never used fl's pattern sequencer. i think song mode itself is fine as it is, but that its existing form could be enhanced, kind of like opm was. at the same time there's other stuff that'd be cooler to see.

a patern in FL is exact the same as a sequence in the mpc.....
why ?

because:

FL

in 1 patern u can put kicks snare samples.. etc.
u can repeat this patern by places those blocks in the main screen.
u can easly make changeúps by making a new patern and edit that
then place it behind the other blocks...

MPC

In a seqeunce u have track, where u can place kicks snare's samples etc.
u can repeat this seqeunce in song mode very easy.
u can easly make changeúps by copying the seqeunce to seq 2 and edit that.
then u can place it just like fl after the other seq in the song mode..

now i hope im clear enough.. and im sure i did a useless talk here. caus all u dude's already knew this.

What's making this confusing is that in something like FL you put thigs into the song.
With the MPC it's kinda like you are taking things away from the song since you build the patterns then remove things in most cases to make the difference.
You can add things but typically you are removing or muting things.

actually...

FL Pattern = MPC Track
FL Song = MPC Sequence

FL patterns are not the same as MPC sequences as you claim them to be.

here's why...

all of your FL patterns can play be playing at the same time throughout the course of your FL song, just like all of your MPC tracks can be playing at the same time throughout the course of your MPC sequence.

you can't have multiple Sequences playing at the same time in song mode in the MPC as if they were patterns playing at the same time in song mode in FruityLoops.

so get it out of your head that a pattern in FL is the same as a sequence in the MPC. THEY'RE NOT!

as for your attempt at an explaination as to why, what you're not realizing is that you don't have to make copies of sequences to do change ups. you can copy a track, make changes to that and then use track mutes to choose which one would play, just like choosing which patterns play in song mode in FL!