NEW JJ OS V2!!!

I have never really used more than one filter per pad, and I haven't really used the velocity layers either, but the velocity layers is something that I would really hate to see go. The only reason I haven't delved into them much is because my pads aren't that great. It was something that I had planned on working with once I got the new pads.

Also, even though I didn't use it much, the second filter is something that I could see being very useful.

I'll wait and see though.

Maybe the inclusion of Aftertouch will render velocity layers useless somehow? Though it's not really the same thing.

However, with all the RAM saved from non-destructive chopping -- it would be feasible to re-sample to use more than one filter, etc. and just have your different layers on different pads.

I'm cautiously optimistic about this.

Any track can be audio track means that you could have many many tracks of recorded loops and use the thing as a (somewhat limited by RAM) multitrack recorder. 23.5 mins mono sampling time gives about 40 tracks of 35 sesconds audio. This is a whole new possibility. Loop the audio and just punch in/out the tracks for dub mix style track creations!

The other big thing is the ability to easily make non-drum programs. This replicates the action of a "proper" sampler, where you assign samples to keygoups, apply ADSR envelopes, etc and play with a midi keyboard. This is a great feature and coupled with the drum mode, audio tracks, grid edit and sequencing of the mpc makes it vastly superior to how it performs fresh out of the box.

From my experience with JJOS1, I wouldn't hesitate in paying for this.

I hope you guys realise that by recording a few basic waveforms and using the new features, your mpc easily transforms into a very capable midi synthesiser too.
This upgrade takes it beyond the realms of simple sampling and sequencing into the realms of synthesis.

My main way of working is with a simple monophonic synth, generaring a nice sound with that, recording say 7 short samples one for each octave and getting them to loop indefinitely in my s5000. add some ADSR envelopes, play with a midi keyboard and you have a wonderful polyphonic instrument. I may well be using the mpc for this sort of thing with JJOS2!

the loss of the second filter is a really bad thing to me :

-i won't be able to read my actual programs(i use filters on all mys sounds to sharpen or for more agressive sound designing).

-we will only have 12dbs filter types

-we will loose a quick way of equing.

what's up with the idea of eight stacked filter someone brought in here?
is that true? where did you find that?

please JJ, keep backward compability in mind

`TK wrote:Let's say... wait and stop right now with sending all this emails about removing **** etc... just wait till the os is out.. and then bom him with mails bout missing or deleted ****.. right now.. he's removing filter 2.. but mayb nest week it says there are 100 filets added for every pad and unlimited ****.. who know's lol

better yet, don't bomb the best man at all, we should be thankfull for what he has done and achieved already.. but i guess it's human nature to always complain and not be satisfied

haha damn right man !!! it's human nature !

OK.
This is all great.
but
we better not lose second filter, that isht is vital.

and

what about a overall of the SONG page?
that is long overdue.....

I think this new OS will divide the MPC dudes, so the dudes who need velocity layers, second filters and anything else not in the new one will stick with version 1, everyone else will move on to version 2.

Hopefully he'll make sure version 1 totally bug free, so those people can be happy, and then people who like the new OS can move to that. I feel another subforum coming on!

The thing is, we're gonna be spoiled for choice soon enough, how many other samplers have 3 operating systems?

`TK wrote:Let's say... wait and stop right now with sending all this emails about removing **** etc... just wait till the os is out.. and then bom him with mails bout missing or deleted ****.. right now.. he's removing filter 2.. but mayb nest week it says there are 100 filets added for every pad and unlimited ****.. who know's lol

i disagree with this. based on the way he has been changing the os2 page, he's either checking this thread or else responding to emails that people have been sending him. it is better to let him know about our concerns NOW, while he's working on it, then later when it will be harder for him to go back in and change what he has already coded.

jj is no idiot. he should have known that there would be an outcry for removing this stuff since it completely destroys the backwards compatibility he is supposedly so concerned about. if he was planning on adding these features back, he could have added a note on his page "these features will return" or "more filters to be added later" or something. maybe he thinks that nobody really uses these features. if this is gonna cause a problem for some of us then we need to speak up.

it just doesn't make sense for os 2 to not be able to do stuff that os 1 can do. you can change the interface & workflow all you want but don't pull out the basic stuff! then you gotta be bouncin between both os 1 & 2 when you want to work on or even just play your old songs.

personally, i think os2 should do all the mpc can handle, regardless of compatibility. i won't be tranferring projects back and forth (like some seem to want to do) i think the potential benefits of this new os could far outweigh any problems people have due to lack of compatibility. i think it's time to drop the ball and chain hindered knuckle scraping akai os style of yesteryear and crank the mpc1000 up to warp speed 9.

Mr modnaR wrote:personally, i think os2 should do all the mpc can handle, regardless of compatibility. i won't be tranferring projects back and forth (like some seem to want to do) i think the potential benefits of this new os could far outweigh any problems people have due to lack of compatibility.

i personally don't care about compatibility that much either, but i imagine that it could be a real problem for people who are playing live. switching os's in the studio is no big deal but when you're on stage & want to play an old track that is a different story.

but i AM concerned about losing features. filter 2 & the velocity switching are pretty basic stuff to be pulling out, especially now that we got the new pads with the improved velocity response.

forget switching back and forth between os's...
thats stupid.
we're all getting soaped up over nothing..
who says we're losing filter2?? - that would be stupid - JJ knows that

I hope he sorts out the track mutes - it;s starting 2 bug me too.. could be so beautiful

who says we're losing filter2??

here it is :

Notes
1. There is no screen of MODE+PAD7(PROGRAM).
2. The program and sample to an internal memory, save/load is cannot.
3. The filter 2 was deleted.
4. There is no velocity range of a layer.
Therefore, change of the layer by a velocity cannot be performed.
5. There is not 4 of a layer.

melton wrote:....... it's like getting a new sampler engine in our mps for the cost of a little bag of weed. ......

hhehe typical - u BC guys n yer weed!


btw u anywhere near blackcomb? (neednt answer if this is considered private yo).

just that i know a few people out there.....then again, b.c.'s a big place.

"However, with all the RAM saved from non-destructive chopping -- it would be feasible to re-sample to use more than one filter, etc. and just have your different layers on different pads."

no way, 2 filters at once gives u the 'wettest' filters can be, esp. when they're linked, and then the qlink controll of filter1+2 is all i ever do .......occasionaly i settle for just one filter in any remedial clean-up eq'ing - to remove hum, subs, hiss whatever, but in terms of using the (rather weak akai) filters as they are - i need two, withouty a doubt,

this could actually put me off upgrading, seriously...
i'd really like adsr envs, but i've since got round it by using carefully set-up lfo's attached to the amps/filters now, so i could defo live without the adsr's

plus i think its fundamental to keep velocity layers, although mbe three is supposed to be enough for some people yknow? - i'm not sure.

but tthe reality is that jj should really be concentrating on building up from OSV1 not really scraping stuff out of it.

i hardly use audio tracks for any serious stuff, as it stands, i tend to just jam with the audio tracks. mainly cos the mpc can only hold 128mb!? - these days this is pathetic, if - like my Z8 - i had more, i'd probably be in more of a position to squander it on loads of stereo audio loops.