NEW JJ OS V2!!!

to b honest, i use the mpc with ableton. and i really like the idea of the new features. and also regards to eq's, just treat ur samples on a pc before hand. i dont really think the filters r that great on the mpc anyway, and the eq is certainly limited, and ive always hated how u can only hav 2 effects...with eq and compression being counted as an effect. every track needs eq and compression, whereas some tracks might need reverb, delay, etc. so u r gonna hav to finish stuff on a pc anyway.

i really like the idea of using the mpc like a fully fledged sampler, and now also as a synth. this is a serious upgrade, expect to see prices either stay the same for years or even go up on ebay for the mpc 1000.

my tip, download the ableton demo. its free. treat ur samples on there, timestretch, if u will (timestrech is miles better on ableton anyway). then record ur sample into the mpc. there u go. u can even assign filter controls to ur q-link sliders, or any other of the fantastic effects ableton offers. so now u can concentrate on those new features inside of ur mpc.

yeah most of thats true, but i dont really want my pc in the equation here, thats why i bought my mp!

i know i can run any audio editor n fix problem samples if necessary - thats a given, but it removes any immediacy, i also hate the idea of using ableton.....i have my laptop around in the studio but, when i'm going out live, i'll keep my mac on the bus (i used to use my laptop live a few years back but it would never survive the club environment and crash or humidified to deadly levels)......and to me, my eq/filter use is mainly for on the spot realtime sound-design creativeness, not to go "oh thats a dirty sample, let me go over there n fix that hiss" - i know the akai filters are weaker than most h/w samplers....but two just about saves the day when im working in a realtime environment with a solo mpc and a few outboards.

arebee wrote:yeah most of thats true, but i dont really want my pc in the equation here, thats why i bought my mp!

i know i can run any audio editor n fix problem samples if necessary - thats a given, but it removes any immediacy, i also hate the idea of using ableton.....i have my laptop around in the studio but, when i'm going out live, i'll keep my mac on the bus (i used to use my laptop live a few years back but it would never survive the club environment and crash or humidified to deadly levels)......and to me, my eq/filter use is mainly for on the spot realtime sound-design creativeness, not to go "oh thats a dirty sample, let me go over there n fix that hiss" - i know the akai filters are weaker than most h/w samplers....but two just about saves the day when im working in a realtime environment with a solo mpc and a few outboards.

yeh, i see the point. it depends on ur setup. but if ur mpc is sitting next to a computer, i dont see an excuse as to why lack of filters is so bad, as the filters r rubbish on the mpc anyway. and its not just to make stuff sound clean, its too make stuff as u want them to sound. i see the mpc as a great unique sequencer, great pads and design, and a great sampler...i think its effects and eqs r pure tosh. i dont think jj could really add much to change that. however, the other additions he has added r def welcome.

IMHO
for the way i work,
2nd filter is not expendible.
Almost every sound I use gets a nip and a tuck in the filters.

plus, we get all this new adsr, which is wicked, but only 1 filter??
that's a whack trade-off... hopefully jj will find a way

i only ever use 1 filter, and even that's pretty infrequent
what concerns me more is the velocitative layers
but both removals have their appropriate and powerful work arounds.

i am interested in seeing a destructive EQ in TRIM (apply to old file or create new file, ala bit convert). that would be a very nice touch, and would sooth those who miss the 2nd filter for eq sake.

i'm also working on a prospective velocitative layer solution.

just gotta put our minds to it. give it time and trust the programmer.

in short, an addendum to my last message.

with any change in tool, you're gonna have a change in workflow. concentrate on the benefits and adjust your process accordingly. ADSR is very very very powerful stuff, but for a lot of people who haven't yet really taken advantage of everything we already have (NOT speaking to anyone in particular) it won't do them that good.

but try to think in terms of "replacement" and "solution." in my experience, taking notes helps a lot. sit down and look at what you want to do, and map out all the different possibilities of how to go about doing it, even the ones that seem completely unnecessary, roundabout, and foolish. write them all out, and crossbreed your ideas.

i'm about to do that and post a os2 velocity layer solution.

My eyes popped out my head when i saw the adsr stuff.. but for me the velocity layers are more important at the moment, especially cause i've been creating layered drum programs ever since i got my mpc.

I occasionally use the second filter as e.q. I could see destructive e.q working but only if it uses the same interface as the current fx-which you could use to audition stuff while the track is playing... e.q.ing "blind" wouldn't be that useful.

On the upside if we compare the very first JJOS to 4.93 we can see how far things can be taken... there was a time not too long ago when we thought that jj couldn't exceed 896k... im hoping it won't be as hard to re-introduce backwards compatible velocity layers..

Also Im assuming the new sample chop regions don't have loop points?
I could only envisage using the new chop thing with audio takes, i use loops on most of my sample chops.
To me creative possibilities(velocity layers) should outweigh the
"memory saving trick" offered by non-destructive chopping. But if one day its possible to have both then im happy with that!

Anyway thanks to JJ for all the good work my eyes are still popping out at the ADSR!

I occasionally use the second filter as e.q. I could see destructive e.q working but only if it uses the same interface as the current fx-which you could use to audition stuff while the track is playing... e.q.ing "blind" wouldn't be that useful.

agreed, it wouldn't be that useful as an actual in-song adjustive eq, but as a pre-song, pre-chop CORRECTIVE eq, used to remove record hiss or rumble, it would be great. in those cases, you don't often need to hear the sample in play to correct those issues. this would make a destructive EQ in TRIM extremely useful.

plus, remember, since you could always choose to "create new file" you can technically always "preview" your trim-eqed sample in your sequence. if you don't like it, go back and try again til you get it right!

Also Im assuming the new sample chop regions don't have loop points?
I could only envisage using the new chop thing with audio takes, i use loops on most of my sample chops.

same here. you and i seem to have a similar approach.
it looks like they don't have loop points. if there were multiple alternate loop points or sustain points in the new sample chop regions, my eyes would bug out. maybe someday.

To me creative possibilities(velocity layers) should outweigh the
"memory saving trick" offered by non-destructive chopping. But if one day its possible to have both then im happy with that!

definitely. meanwhile, i'd be very interested in seeing how you think of my ideas for getting around the lack of velocitative layers in os2. please check out my new post and help me!

the only reqeust i have is... more effects..
if i have reverb or compressor or whaeffer on my kick.. and a delay on my snare.. then thats it... only 2.. how sad is that..

`TK wrote:the only reqeust i have is... more effects..
if i have reverb or compressor or whaeffer on my kick.. and a delay on my snare.. then thats it... only 2.. how sad is that..

re sample

thedvs01 wrote:

`TK wrote:the only reqeust i have is... more effects..
if i have reverb or compressor or whaeffer on my kick.. and a delay on my snare.. then thats it... only 2.. how sad is that..

re sample

REAL TALK.


Besides. all of this talk about losing filter 2 is silly/serious at the same time. i aint going to lie... i use filter 2 like a muthafu**** but Im not sweating it tho' since i have a more than a few hardware filters/effects racks and samplers in my arsenal. and im a firm beliver in resampling.
128 mb is alot of sample time and pitching up your sample via record player or mpc then timestretching and sampling monophonicly triples the time you have.

delete, layer, or move on.

by the way. those extra holes in the baok of your mpc 1000 are VERY useful... find an hardware filter or effects rack and youll be fine

and if you guys use software... wow. just bounce the wav/sample internal by resampling or externally to reason, ableton live, audacity, acid, fruity loops... whatever. and if you love it hands on... load the treated wav. back into the mpc. and start fiddling with the program so it can work in a live application
either way there is a billion ways around losing a velocity layer and a filter...

when the need strikes and hunger sets in. youll find a way to get the sound that you want or even better than you expected than what initially came out of the mpc.
i wonder if jj will get rid of that punk @$$ bit grunger effect...

i dont mind the reverb or delay. but it can go. i use the internal compressors and eq. alot. but whatever everything else is trivial because the mpc 1000 in my opinion is the first step in the production process. in the end everything can be tracked out and layered accordingly outside the mpc via daw's and multitrack recorders, compressor racks, analog filters, pre amps, mixers and bouncing wav.s/ tracks whatever kids call it now a days ...


we came along way with this os yall. it's time to embrace change. and think outside the box.

If the OS you use is good for what you produce then save your money. keep what you got. and keep producing.

sometimes you gotta lose some things in order to advance or gain.

im willing to continue with this revolutionary progress and will drop $40 in their paypal account hands down.

they deserve it.


and i cant wait to get my hands on this monster.

is enhanced resolution in the sequencer... more than 96ppq? (nice for midi)


a way to upgrade memory. more than 128mb? (why not)


1/64 quantize function. (whatever)


filter/effects to 1- 4 outs. (i resample anyway)


sample to program... (creates automatic new program assigning samples to pads 1 to 64. if renaming sample it'll ask to set up a new program or assign to next pad)


thats it really... ill just take the os as it comes.

gunmetal wrote:a way to upgrade memory. more than 128mb? (why not)

Um, hardware limitation?


I'll take that enhanced resolution tho.....

elektrik_muz wrote:

gunmetal wrote:a way to upgrade memory. more than 128mb? (why not)

Um, hardware limitation?


I'll take that enhanced resolution tho.....

yea!!! i know, funny, right?


that memory upgrade is mad lofty yo. but with all that extra memory they have muscled into the mpc for programing, i bet the jj can figure out a way to increase the sequencer resolution!!!

if not then i aint mad.