NEW JJ OS V2!!!

about the purge, i actually always listen to a folder of selected drums and select the ones i want to use and assign them straight away, or when sampling drums, i usually just take a kick snare and hi hat and filter/resample them untill i get it right..

the only time i actually purge is when i'm busy with something and i already got the drums down and i don't like the sample i'm working with, but that rarely happens..

And by the way, am i the only one who sees the mpc more as a sequencer than a sampler?

i view it that way. i am absolutely addicted to the midi grid sequencer. i've never encountered an easier interface to capture my rhythms.

bees80 wrote:
And by the way, am i the only one who sees the mpc more as a sequencer than a sampler?

I rarely use the sequencer, i rather do things live and record it to the computer

Rarlely use samples exept for drums

I see this machine as an intelligent instrument

since i know how to hook up multiple vsti's in cubase and using the mpc as the midi sequencer for all these vsti's im hooked, word is bond at the midi sequencer makes tracking your beat out even easier.. well if you don't have a template that is.. i got a template with 8 audio tracks and some pre assigned midi tracks for my projects.. just one press on my record button on the fw1082 and cubase records the whole song, ready to process and mix..

anyway going offtopic, i still remain; just wait and see what happends.. i can't believe people are already making requests for the new OS.. just wait and see.. if you got to have to put your faith in anything, put it in JJ.. oh yeah, and antonym offcourse hehe

fully sequencin here too
samples are ace, but not much more i can do to em a la ensoniq/kurzweil/emu/Z8........but in conjunction with NMG2, 4 part synth actions + program/samples...im super happy, 2 red boxes and a nice controller

major use of qlink 'insert' (grid edit/qreal), note reps, vel> sstarts. flt envs. blah blah

bees80 wrote:
anyway going offtopic, i still remain; just wait and see what happends.. i can't believe people are already making requests for the new OS.. just wait and see.. if you got to have to put your faith in anything, put it in JJ.. oh yeah, and antonym offcourse hehe

Fianly.... antonym we got a new member.. ! (we are the 3 squad now)

LOL..

Antonym wrote:OS2 is going to happen the way it's going to happen.
if it doesn't include you, too bad.

no, it's not just going to "happen the way it's going to happen". jj has already made one significant change to the new os based on our feedback. that's what this forum is for. i'm sure jj would rather us discuss this here then send him a flood of emails. in fact, that's probably why he sent you a preview version of the os.

Antonym wrote:as for "all the work" involved in generating new sounds, jesus dudes get a grip. making music takes time - in this case, MAYBE all of 3 minutes to cook up a decent waveform synth program. get real. that is not a significant investment, i don't care how busy you are.

the problem is not spending time but wasting it. lets say you spend 3 minutes setting up a synth program on the mpc. you've layered a couple sine waves & have some basic filtering set up. so it took you about 3 minutes to get to point A. MY point is that if you spent those same 3 minutes setting up a real synth, you'd already be at point G. you'd have a much more flexible & better sounding program than anything you'll get out of the mpc.

before i got my mpc i spent about 2 years working with synths almost exclusively. there are few things in this world that sound as crappy as a sine wave. they are boring, uninspiring sounds. to get anything musical out of them takes a lot of layering & filtering & modulation. this is what synths are good at & the mpc not so much. you'll need to put in twice as much effort to get half as good results.

look, if this was all just about adding features i wouldn't be complaining AT ALL. the more features the mpc has the better as far as i'm concerned. but unfortunately, as we've already seen he's got to be pulling stuff out to give us new stuff. so far he's been removing stuff i use and giving me stuff i won't so i feel i need to step up & voice my opinion that i'm not crazy about the decisions he's been making. if you know some things we don't about some upcoming features then let us know.

anyway, please don't take any personal offense at what i'm saying. we all use our mpc's in different ways. what's good for one person might not be good for another. i'm just giving my perspective on the situation.

hi,
100% agree with ya dude....
i know that fx on 1k is a crap, filters - same, but..... i use it a lot...
why
i got decent outboard gears, expensive plugins which sounds really great....
and i still use that sh@@@ ones from mpc...
why???
because it's in ONE BOX, in one place on one screen.
i love couple of things in new jjos :
1. non destructive chop is a bless
2. adsr - even my 3k doesn't have it (if u don't know what it is - you don't know what sampler can do)
4. aftertouch - cool

i still miss full midi implementation

as a user - jj, please don't delete things which we use !!!!

cheers lads

before i got my mpc i spent about 2 years working with synths almost exclusively. there are few things in this world that sound as crappy as a sine wave. they are boring, uninspiring sounds. to get anything musical out of them takes a lot of layering & filtering & modulation. this is what synths are good at & the mpc not so much. you'll need to put in twice as much effort to get half as good results.

agree... (except for filtering a sinewave, you cant filter it )

i am not very excited about the new OS2 features until now...
i mean adsr is nice, but the mpc is not the greatest sampler at all... buy an cheap emu esi for 150,- bucks and you have far more possibilities...
but thats an other story...

what i would really like to see are LOOP triggering FEATURES for the mpc:
(like the mv8k, or ableton live, or roland sp series etc.)

(gate mode etc. etc)

IMHO the most missing feature on mpcs until now...

i am sure that many peoples would appreciate this features for liveplaying the mpc, djing etc...

2. adsr - even my 3k doesn't have it (if u don't know what it is - you don't know what sampler can do)

you're damn right. only recently have i realized how huge this would be to my chopped sample programs.

filter2 is 100% NOT coming back. it is too heavy on the CPU to use 2 filters + aftertouch + ADSR. if you use filters as EQ, ie take out high end record hiss, it is advised that you resample with EQ or resample with filter.

my idea of a destructive EQ in TRIM for rough eq such as removing record noise/rumble may happen, or it may not. just figure out a workaround, or stick with os1.

FILTER2. FILTER2 is heavy for CPU. "FILTER2"and" ADSR, AFTER-TOUC and new functions" are trade-offs.

this is not going to change no matter how much people fuss, as os2's main current attraction is ADSR and AFTERTOUCH for "the making of a new sound."

currently removed functions:

filter2
velocity-start
velocity-attack
velocity-pitch
next sequence in MAIN screen

currently compensated functions:

save/load to internal memory => 2 autoload folders
4th layer => simult pad
internal metronome sound => RAM metronome sound
OPM => GPE
velocity-filter => velocity-filter

we have lost so little, yet cried so much. see my sig.

jj just emailed me os2 .65, which i have yet to install and test.

Many serious bugs exist in OS2.
Please report, if they are found.
( An audio track is under construction.)

i will be busy reporting bugs over much of the weekend. public testing will happen soon, probably sooner than mid december, but realize that it will probably not be an outright usable os.

i say again - public TESTING will happen soon. this doesn't mean public begging for reimplementation of the very few os1 features that have been replaced. this os is being steered by the programmer. he and the webmaster do not have time to waste pouring over emails that are written in difficult to understand english.

in communicating with jj and reading his page, i've learned to write in the same style of language, which may or may not be some form of google translate-influenced speech. this "jenglish" prevents much of the language barrier that we would otherwise encounter.

nym, ur not reading what people are saying re filter 2

"if you use filters as EQ, ie take out high end record hiss, it is advised that you resample with EQ or resample with filter. "

anyone would do that remedial stuff first before even loading the sample, its all about real time manipulation, on the go creativity....so what if its not the best filter in the industry, i dont care, all im saying is that its damn useful.

and in order to spare some rom space jj has to take it out, it would be wise to directly compare its loss to whats been added in its place....if its adsr then mbe its a fair trade to some, but seeing u say its of no use anyway because u can eq yer samples offline....is just missing the point....i could arrange an entire mpc track on my simbian phone if i had to , but thats missing the same point.

nym, ur not reading what people are saying re filter 2

i certainly am reading what some people say re filter2, but maybe not saying what you'd like me to say.

i was commenting on some people's claimed use of filter2 as eq. not everyone does "that remedial stuff first before even loading the sample" because not everyone "loads the sample." many are recording straight from an eqless dj mixer into the mpc and eqing there. that's the use i've been discussing the compensation for.

the other group, those who use filter2 for realtime manipulation, are simply out of luck. CPU heavy filter2 is replaced with ADSR, aftertouch, and other new features. filter2 modulators will need to use os1 for os1 features, and os2 for os2 features. filter2 is simply not going to be in os2. there's no changing that. that's the end of the story.

i quote jj from a few mails back:

I have received many claims as you say.
If all opinions of a user are heard, OS will not be completed forever.
Most MPC users have not used ADSR and an after touch.
It may be unnecessary to HIPHOP.
But it is pleasant.
An original sound can be made.

of course, i disagree that ADSR and aftertouch are unnecessary to HIPHOP, and i intend to show jj otherwise. the functional capacity this gives the power user over a simple chopped sample is really wild.

ok, understood....

CPU heavy filter2 is replaced with ADSR, aftertouch, and other new features

i just wanted to see the direct trades...and why.

i mean if its CPU use thats the key to this, and not just memory space on chip........then u got me thinking further,

its a shame this os cant be more modular or cpu dynamic, ie: any feature u need u can "switch on" and others remain "greyed out" as it were...(even a check list at startup that saves the last set of configs used - but 'shift' startup shows the list of elements or choices available - before the os fully loads)

so in practice - say in the GPE a flt2 might be seen in the grid of parameters, but not actually being made available for use, untill say the adsr is switched to "classic or simple mode", then users may activate facets of the os's they love so much.