Forum to discuss all matters relating to the MPC1000 and MPC2500 operating systems created by 'JJ' (all versions).
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By rinseout Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:53 pm
Today i did it. Having a free week i decided to finally catch that bug. Ok was no big deal, although i had to record for over 7 minutes until it popped up the first time.
So heres what i did:
Put a single sine wave on a pad, set to one shot (i tried with "note on" and looped, but nothing came up, i didnt ran it that long though). Recorded a sequence, full level on and tap tempo pressed, on the 16th.
Recorded the whole stuff till i heard the phasing.

When i looked at the waveform i noticed the mpc did something to the waveform:
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Left the original waveform, to the right the recorded one. Is this the decay the mpc applies to one-shot samples? Why does it take longer to reach the zero? Doesnt look like a normal decay to me, more like a pitch decay.

And heres the error the mpc makes, the "panning" bug (actually its a phase shift):
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I tried to determine which channel gets delayed but had to dig deeper, as the distance between the waveform before the phase-shifted one and the beginning of the earlier (the right channel) waveform was the same as the distance later waveform (left channel) to next recorded waveform. Soeey if i cant describe it better, i´ll try to draw it:

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So no channel gets delayed, just some extra time inserted? I measured the distances of waveforms before and after and couldnt really interpret this, it seems the mpc adds extra time at certain moments
Heres the list:
5504
5505
5536
5504
5505
5504
5504
5537
5504
5504
5536
5505
5504
5504
5537
5504
5504
5505
5536
5504
5504
5502
5536
5504
5505
5504
5504
32 <- phaseshift
5504
5505

seems pretty periodic in the second half, maybe that event occurs around each quarter note and thus sometimes before sometimes after the beat. and if its at exact 0.0.00 it cant play the 2 sample channels at the same time (just noticed it was a stereo sample...) - just some wild speculation though..

I will try to explain to JJ, anyone knows if he knows bout this?
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By le rat Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:05 pm
:shock: thanks for your deep research ! I hope it gonna help JJ to correct it.
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By Juta Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:00 pm
well i didnt understand much of this post, but fixing this bug would be MAJOR!!!
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By cozy Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:09 pm
i feel like a nerd because i did understand that! :lol:

By earwolf Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:12 pm
:shock: - very cool that you took time to do that, good karma methinks :)
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By H-Mann Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:53 am
Nice work. If you need any help with it, be it explaining it to JJ or whatever, PM me.
JJ knows about the problem, but I think not in this detail. I guess the problem will be to determine WHY this happens. But now we know WHAT happens, which is good.
Have you already mailed it or maybe got a response?
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By thedvs01 Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:46 pm
can you upload an audio clip maybe so that I could better understand this problem?
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By rinseout Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:37 pm
Thx for the feedback. Still like to know about that decay, anyone?

I didnt send this to JJ so far, can anyone pm me his email-adress?
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By H-Mann Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:59 pm
I don't think it's the decay. Decay does this:

Sample without decay:
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Sample with decay:
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Meaning decay doesn't make the sample longer, which seems to be the case with your observation.
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By H-Mann Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:31 pm
delete
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By le rat Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:23 pm
did you get an answer from JJ?
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By rinseout Sun Dec 16, 2007 5:01 pm
No not yet, but i sent the mail right now... i wonder if he understands what i wrote...
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By Antonym Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:12 pm
sorry to speak on this so late. really good work, here.

did you send the images/audio with your email? that would help a lot.

i've never captured the phase issue "on tape" so to say
but the audio and visuals would help him to understand what you are saying.