LinnDrum II - Dave Smith & Roger Linn

building a small sampling fucntion in there wouldn't be that much work...

**** YEAH!!!!
dude, i've been checking dave and roger's sites like once a week waiting for details on this!!!
So long machinedrum.

I'll take both!!!

Best news in 15 years!

Add a sampling option and I'll have to clean my pants.

LvngDead wrote:Add a sampling option and I'll have to clean my pants.

well, if you write *deleted*

You'll get a much better chance of getting it implemented then if you write
it in this forum... You never know what he has implemented and what he doesn't. I"m personally more interested in sampling internal then external.... I have my mpc for that..... but for the Analog machine, I would love to capture some of the sounds as samples and then freeing up the Analog voices for more ...

Cheers,
Dave

renegadebliss wrote:I"m personally more interested in sampling internal then external.... I have my mpc for that..... but for the Analog machine, I would love to capture some of the sounds as samples and then freeing up the Analog voices for more

Agreed, i've thought about that too.

http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/products/linndrum2/

it says here that there is "Inputs and outputs include four audio outs, two sampling/audio processing/drum trigger inputs, phones, USB, MIDI in/out, two expression pedal/foot switch inputs, and four additional direct voice outputs for the Analog model."

so that means it is a sampler which is nice!

There is hope, yes, there is hope.

I liked the boomchik idea better.

Linndrum II, not saying the product won't be right, but that name is just wack.

- So whats the purpose of these? really. If I sample say in my mpc3000 drums, why would i want something else playing them? especially when the thing wont sample? i guess fr live usage and recording to replace a drummer for sure, but for beatmaking i see no point, then again, maybe it isnt for the beatmaker.

firework wrote:- So whats the purpose of these? really.

The purpose. It's a drum machine. You take drum sounds (samples), or make your own drum sounds with Drum Synthesis (with the Analog version) and use the Sequencer to sequence the beats at specific points that then makes a rhythm. That's the purpose of a drum machine.

firework wrote:- If I sample say in my mpc3000 drums, why would i want something else playing them?

Don't know why you would. The Linndrum 2's purpose is to sequence it's own patterns, not your MPC's.

So if you are asking what the LinnDrum can do sequence wise compared to your MPC 3000, the answer is X0X style programming with lighted pads to show where the beats are selected... along side MPC style programming .the rest of the details we have to wait until Dave and Roger release more info.

firework wrote:-especially when the thing wont sample?

Who says it can't sample. Dave Smith, one of the makers of it,
says that it can, from: http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/products/linndrum2/
"two sampling/audio processing/drum trigger inputs"

Now why would you have 2 Sampling inputs on a machine that can't Sample... you wouldn't..

firework wrote: i guess fr live usage and recording to replace a drummer for sure, but for beatmaking i see no point, then again, maybe it isnt for the beatmaker.

I'm fairly certain that a drum machine is made for a beat maker, it's kind of it's whole purpose. If you look at the LinnDrum 2 Analog version, you can do THAT much more then you can on a MPC 3000. All you do on your MPC 3000 is play pre-sampled sounds. With the LinnDrum 2 Analog version, you get 4 seperate Analog voices with 2 Oscillators a voice and an Analog Filter and Analog VCA for each of the 4 Analog voices.

1) So your not just playing pre-set sounds. You are creating your own drum beats.... if you all you like to do is steal other peoples drum sounds, well you can do that too if you want, but if you want to create your own independant sounds from scratch.... Here you are.


2) Another thing that you can do with this, that you can't with the MPC 3000 is have 2G or 4G of RAM from comapct flash streaming. I'm pretty sure that your maxed out with 32M of RAM on the 3000... So if you've ever played a live nonstop set, you'll see how important it is to have everything loaded and ready to go, so you don't have to stop the crowds energy to delete and load the next part of the set.

4) 8-level velocity switching -

and you say it's not for the beatmaker
The ONLY MPC that can achieve this is MPC 4000 and you can only do that by layering 2 Keygroups and carefully setting Zone levels.

5) distortion -

internal distortion - AWSOME

6) lo-fi algorithm -

again more ways to muck with your sounds

7) two complex modulation matrices -

if you've ever played around with the Evolver, Q, or Xpander you'll know how powerful this is.

8 ) the ability to use sequence events as modulation sources -

again more ways to "muck" with your sounds.... Instead of just sitting pretty with what you sampled, you can change and play around with the sounds and come up with new interesting sounds.

9) dedicated voicing knobs -

again, if your into creating your own sounds instead of stealing them from other people, having dedicated knobs really helps. I love my RackAttack from Drum Synthesis but it would definitely be nice for everything to have it's own knobs rather then be buried in Menus or Matrix Style programming interfaces

10) on/off buttons for filter, resonator, amp sim/compressor (ever heard an 808 through a Marshall Stack?? Me neither, but I plan on checking it out when the Lindrumm2 gets released), EQ, delay and reverb effects -

You can actually "play" your filters and EQ's/FX.



So that's just a small listing of what you can do with this that you couldn't do with the 3000 and they haven't even released the manual yet.... We can revisit in 6 months and list a whole lot more.



Remember. It's not an MPC replacement. It's a Drum Machine. Just like I didn't replace my 808 with my 4000. I wouldn't be replacing my 4000 (or your 3000) with the LinnDrum2. I'd be putting it right next to my 4000 alongside the 808.....

Cheers,
Dave

thanks for the insight.

From the dave smith site: "two sampling/audio processing/drum trigger inputs"
Why would Roger Linn the godfather of sampling Not make a sampler?
Come on folks, Ya'll know this thing samples!

^^^
The fist couple of reactions in this thread were before the description was put up on his site. At that point it was still unclear if it could sample.



Btw, here's Linn himself with a prototype: