IS os2 WORTH IT? (yes, this is why)

so we can use ADSR on AMP/pitch/filter and aftertouch on filter/pitch/LFO/xfade instead

the trade is well worth it, especially when you could/should always use SIMULT pads instead of layers

mrpig - velocity-filter mod, velocity-start point, and filter2 wouldn't work from old project folders. i say you should just finish up os1 projects and "Start anew in OS2"

Antonym wrote: "Start anew in OS2"

Damn, OS2 is running for president now too?

why do you think obama won in iowa?

I knew Obama was JJ

looking at stan steez comparison chart and reading several threads i will say this,for my part the upgrade to os2 seems redundant. Everything i need is available on the original jjos. Many things written about the os2 imo really small small improvemets and add ons. I dont need these changes for the time being.
I would tip my hat to Nym though for his tireless explorings in the JJ OS realm
my two kronas

perhaps they are not necessary to certain styles of production (mostly outboard midi gear, etc) but Aftertouch and ADSR are absolutely huge. also, i wouldn't say they are redundant because neither were possible at all before.

ADSR in particular - MPCs are one of the few "samplers" to NOT have this integral function. i feel like a kid born without one arm who suddenly got one surgically reattached! maybe at some point you'll install the os2 demo and you'll be a believer. most of my drum 1shots are set to NOTE ON now and i use adsr to shape the entire thing.

I'm not a believer yet. And that's mainly because none - and I mean NONE - of my beats created on earlier JJ Versions are compatibel with OS2! Maybe I missed something, but nobody seemed to have addressed this issue before.
Second of all, I don't need Grid Edit in the Main screen. It just crowds up the main screen - making it look cluttered.
Third of all, ADSR is something I don't need on my drum machine, when I want my drums and other samples cut hard to make it sound raw. I f I wanted ADSR, I could use Reason, which I do.
Fourth of all I don't need x-Fade after toch, but I NEED a FOURTH SAMPLE LAYER! which OS2 doesn't provide.
And the most important reason for me, not to want os2 is yet, is a f'ed up update policy: Getting paid double and tripple for an evolving os, based on the original and calling it os2, when it really isn't a completely new product. And for those who say it is, I got one question: If it was a completely new product, why OS1 is needed as foundation to let the os2 code run upon? It's not like costumers can decide to have either OS1 OR OS2, they need to pay twice. I'm sceptical of the way JJ "make(s) em pay"... So all the "Yes-Men" you can promote OS2 as much as you want (do free-promo AND and pay JJ, too), but I cannot and will not support this milk-the-cow update policy of his.

Yours truely,
the manual man.

I disagree. JJ has put a lot of work in, and I personally feel like I got way more then my original $30 worth. I think JJ deserves another payment from all of us.

piece by piece, let's thank the rum. primebeatz knows what i'm talking about.

because none - and I mean NONE - of my beats created on earlier JJ Versions are compatibel with OS2!

os2 is not meant to be compatible with os1. that's not the plan. os2 is a different operating system not intended for backwards compatibility.

Second of all, I don't need Grid Edit in the Main screen. It just crowds up the main screen - making it look cluttered.

i've never understood that argument. the more info visible, the better in my opinion. example: GPE. empty space = parameter not visible. i'll take control over a vacant aesthetic anyday.

Third of all, ADSR is something I don't need on my drum machine, when I want my drums and other samples cut hard to make it sound raw.

the mpc1000 is not a drum machine, however, a drum machine without ADSR is harshly limited by comparison. try setting a snare with a long, reverby tail to NOTE ON, then set the decay to something small and the sustain to 10. that snare suddenly becomes a sharp SNAP rifle-report snare.

ADSR is not exclusive when it comes to drum samples - i'd argue that ADSR is just as if not more important w/ drum samples than instrument samples. example: battery, shortcircuit, guru (i believe) - practically EVERY drum sampler includes ADSR as an integral part of its drum shaping toolbox.

Fourth of all I don't need x-Fade after toch, but I NEED a FOURTH SAMPLE LAYER! which OS2 doesn't provide.

os1 and os2 offer enough layers to max your polyphony. Simult your layers. an os2 pad simulted with another = 6 layers. there is no reason not to be using simult if layers are important to you - simulted layers are more powerful, more controllable layers anyway.

but I cannot and will not support this milk-the-cow update policy of his.

enough has been said against this that i consider it a closed matter personally. should i mention the price of Valixi or w/e that rohan made? which offers maybe the tiniest fraction of what the jj os offers?

Antonym wrote:piece by piece, let's thank the rum. primebeatz knows what i'm talking about.

because none - and I mean NONE - of my beats created on earlier JJ Versions are compatibel with OS2!

os2 is not meant to be compatible with os1. that's not the plan. os2 is a different operating system not intended for backwards compatibility.

>> How you know that it's not intended to be? For me, beeing unable to open all of my previous projects in OS2 fur further work is a big disappointment. You could say "but you can switch back to OS1..." For me that's a foul compromis. I wanna get creative and not have any technical obstacles in between me and my creativity!

Second of all, I don't need Grid Edit in the Main screen. It just crowds up the main screen - making it look cluttered.

i've never understood that argument. the more info visible, the better in my opinion. example: GPE. empty space = parameter not visible. i'll take control over a vacant aesthetic anyday.

>> Talking about aesthetics. For me it's important. It's not about asethetics alone, but about the combination of both, Form & Function. And if you know something about aestehtics, you know these two things are unseperatable. That's why a lot of us love ipods and macbooks I don't want to get distirbed by a display. Because humans are more effected by visual impressions than by audibility. And the flickering grid just does that- distiurb me.

Third of all, ADSR is something I don't need on my drum machine, when I want my drums and other samples cut hard to make it sound raw.

the mpc1000 is not a drum machine, however, a drum machine without ADSR is harshly limited by comparison. try setting a snare with a long, reverby tail to NOTE ON, then set the decay to something small and the sustain to 10. that snare suddenly becomes a sharp SNAP rifle-report snare.

>> LOL you wanna teach me or something? The MPC is a sampler, a drummachine and a sequencer in my opinion. Nice to have that cleared out!

ADSR is not exclusive when it comes to drum samples - i'd argue that ADSR is just as if not more important w/ drum samples than instrument samples. example: battery, shortcircuit, guru (i believe) - practically EVERY drum sampler includes ADSR as an integral part of its drum shaping toolbox.

>> The point you're making, "every other samppler got it", is not convincing me

Fourth of all I don't need x-Fade after toch, but I NEED a FOURTH SAMPLE LAYER! which OS2 doesn't provide.

os1 and os2 offer enough layers to max your polyphony. Simult your layers. an os2 pad simulted with another = 6 layers. there is no reason not to be using simult if layers are important to you - simulted layers are more powerful, more controllable layers anyway.

>> Simulting pads/ layer got some serious syncing issues. I don't know If you audibly heard it or not, but samples are not getting played back in the right timing, which leeds to unwanted phase effects, which results from untight syncing, I think! If that ain't a serious issue, than I must not know anything about producing

but I cannot and will not support this milk-the-cow update policy of his.

enough has been said against this that i consider it a closed matter personally. should i mention the price of Valixi or w/e that rohan made? which offers maybe the tiniest fraction of what the jj os offers?

>> I don't care what you consider to be a closed topic and it's not on you or anybody else to determine or suggest that there actually would be some sort of common opinion on this matter, which you intend with your statement . You opened up this threat - giving reasons, why YOU think, we should get OS2. I'm just here to let people know, what I think about OS2.

Out

Not been looking into the OS2 yet, to many older projects to finish right know, (at least upward) compatibility would be nice, but i think you cant have everything, its either new features or that.

stan steez wrote:>> Simulting pads/ layer got some serious syncing issues. I don't know If you audibly heard it or not, but samples are not getting played back in the right timing, which leeds to unwanted phase effects, which results from untight syncing

That sounds bad, i just checked with OS1 and theres definitively no issue like that. Can anyone confirm this problem with OS2?

Antonym wrote:1 - we are now able to specify sequence LOOP start/stop. say you have a 16 bar loop. we are now able to set the sequence to loop between say bar 4 and 8, or 9-12, or any number. this is WILD. i can now have a song that i've rendered to 1 long, 60 bar sequence and still have it loop on the bars that once were originally sequence 4. this is a big deal.

Uhm.. can't you place loops in OS1 already? I do it all the time...

sounds like jahrome when os1 came out.

regarding not backwards compatibility:

>> How you know that it's not intended to be? For me, beeing unable to open all of my previous projects in OS2 fur further work is a big disappointment. You could say "but you can switch back to OS1..." For me that's a foul compromis. I wanna get creative and not have any technical obstacles in between me and my creativity!

well, let's see - sequence data has been changed, the architecture of programs have been altered, a whole new type of program has been introduced - the jj page has stated this is a new os - it's been clear since 0.58 that old programs/projects don't load quite the same. this didn't exactly come out of the blue. also, would you really call hitting TAP TEMPO while booting up your mpc in os1 a "technical obstacle between you and your creativity?" yow, man. making electronic music is nothing but a loooong list of technical obstacles.

you also say:

The MPC is a sampler, a drummachine and a sequencer in my opinion. Nice to have that cleared out!

then you say you aren't buying an argument that every other sampler has an important feature which the mpc1000 does not (but 4000 does). do you not see the discrepancy there?

That's why a lot of us love ipods and macbooks Smile I don't want to get distirbed by a display

perhaps they'll release their own os for you.

Simulting pads/ layer got some serious syncing issues. I don't know If you audibly heard it or not, but samples are not getting played back in the right timing, which leeds to unwanted phase effects, which results from untight syncing

this occurs regardless of mpc regardless of layering tactic whenever you layer 2 of the same sound on top of each other. it is not a serious syncing issue ESPECIALLY if you can't audibly hear it. point is, you're not supposed to by layering 2 of the exact same/very similar sound because of phasing. also in os1 and os2, i've seen no more issue with this using SIMULT than i have using regular old LAYER.

stan, you are dying to fight this, so i'm not gonna waste much more time on it and neither should you. the payment IS a closed matter. os2 is $39, as can be read on the site.

motormind - yeah in page 2 or so sequence loop start/end was shown to be in os1 too - i don't know when it was made possible.

i totally agree with stan steez. i really dont care for edit screen in main nor to i need adsr for my mpc. and leaving some features out from os1 seals the deal for me (like compatibility). I appreciete everything jj has done for the mpc but im gonna stay on os1. Everything i need and then some is available there. I aint being cheap either, he deserves every penny for his updates. Id donate him 30 dollars but i still dont want the os2 of his. Thanks stan for your comparison chart btw,it cleared things out for me.

keep your words handy, i reckon by march or so you'll be happily taking em back! meanwhile enjoy os1