Share tips, tricks, gear set ups and videos relating to the use of MPCs in live performances including MPC finger drumming, MPC scratching, using MPCs with decks, computers and other instruments.
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By Mpc_Monk Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:53 am
i'm sure he's not worried about that,,, this thread is not about compairing sequencing to not sequencing or composition, this thread is about live mpc 1000 performance techniques like all the cats in this thread have posted, so share how you do your thing if it applys otherwise you may have your wrench back my friend.

By bruxism Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:53 am
Hippotron wrote:Yo Bruxism,

Where are you in Oz? Sounds like a good show. Any Sydney gigs coming up?


Yo, in brisbane actually. And while we've got the about an hour of live material sorted out, we've been dragging our heels when it comes to sorting out or visuals, and sorting out a couple of cheap video cameras to film me on the MPC and him on the synth. so no live gigs yet, probably another 6 weeks away i'd say.

Part of the appeal, for us at least, of working this way is it is more in keeping with the way "real" bands play music. So while i don't fear the play button, i just find it so much more fun doing it this way. Will definitely post up video of the show when it's up and running!
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By Hippotron Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:39 am
To Monk:

Ha ha. No criticism, just thoughts. Like I said, it sounds like brux has a great live show. No thread derailment intended :wink:

To Bruxism (aka teeth grinder):

Ah I know what you mean, this live thing can take a while to shift in to gear. We did a few shows last year when we were very green and realised we needed to spend a bunch of time getting our shit together. Only now do we have something that we're proud to share. Are you working with a VJ or do you guys control the visuals yourselves? Let us know if you ever head south with it.

As far a my live situation goes I'm also in a band. I play the MPC1000 micro korg, and the occasional gutar and flute. Others play guitar, bass, keys and vocals (mostly raps).

Depending on the track the drums and samples are either sequenced or played live by me. The same goes for the micro. For less structured songs I use track mutes as well but that ussually gives way to sequencing in order to free my hands up for something else.

The vocalist has a KP3 and in recent rehersals we've ben experimenting with sending the MP through that as well. It's fun for fx but as far as it's looping capabilities I've found it works best on non-rythmic vocal parts. I'm keen to delve a little deeper into the kp3's sample/loop feature.

And your right, it is heaps more fun smacking pads than pressing play. That's why I do both. :wink:
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By Mpc_Monk Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:15 pm
thanks for posting hippotron, I've just recently gotten a microkorg and a kp3 myself and am very intrested in getting them to work together nicely, in my opinion they both sound great and I see what you're talking about the looping on the kp3 is a little tricky i'm trying to get the hang of it, but running the mpc 1000 through the kp3 has been loads of fun and i've been able to make great use of resampling the kp3s output.

so what's up with the live beats everybody, and do you guys have a certain way to set up samples for triggering that you use all the time, what
method are you following.
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By wax808 Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:23 pm
You live MPC players are straight up pimps....... Kings among men....



Keep on doin it!!!!!




thats all



/wax

By bruxism Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:35 pm
Hippotron wrote:. Are you working with a VJ or do you guys control the visuals yourselves? Let us know if you ever head south with it.


No VJ man, we control all the visuals ourselves with the same pads that the noises are coming out of. Sometimes some pads on the MPC have no sounds on them too, so we can just trigger visuals with those pads too. We got one mad visual of an old school cartoon transformer pushing buttons that look exactly like MPC buttons. It's rad.

Your band sounds cool too, pretty hectic. I used to actually be in a ten piece band at one stage...Politics! Will definitely get you on the pm's if we ever head down south, either on holiday or gigging, would like to see your band. What's the name?

And to Monk, due to the fact i'm kept pretty busy on the pads with everything live, i have to set up things differently every time depending on what the song demands, but i do have a few little tricks.

1. auditory illusion, an idea i borrowed from Rahzel, which he uses extensively in "if your mother only knew." Since alot of tracks i do are upwards of 170 BPM, keeping hats going continuously is hard work. but, if you're trying to play 8th note hats, and you skip playing those hats on the snares, people still construct in their heads 8th note hats, because of the frequencies snares share. That'll save 2 button pushes a bar.

2. Stacking. Gotta keep those hats running. So layer a hat on the pad your kick drum sits on and you'll save yourself some more button pushing. That's 5 or 6 button pushes every bar knocked out by those two examples.

So for a typical drum and bass track, my pads look something

Pad 1 - Hat
Pad 2 - Kick + hat
Pad 3 - Kick
Pad 4 - Snare
Pad 5 - Crash or ride
Pad 6 - Open hat
Pad 7 - incidental bleeps squeaks whatever
Pad 8 - Ghost snare

If you're interested i'll post up a loop so you can hear what's possible doing things that way.
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By Mpc_Monk Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:44 am
definitely intrested in hearing that bruxism and thankyou, this thread is already opening up my mind to the possibilities.

By bruxism Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:59 am
the_way2.mp3 - 0.27MB

lovetheme.mp3 - 0.40MB

These are two of the one's i'm currently working on. They should loop fine, so just download them and loop them in whatever you like.

These have both been recorded in one take. More than happy to share everything around, so if you'd like my project folders as well just let me know and i'll yousendit them to you.
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By Hippotron Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:07 am
Sounds cool man. Hella tight. I'd definitely see that live.

Something else to add to the hi hat layering. Nym's posted some interesting things about simult and velocity layers. Using simult on the hi hats can save layers if you have a layered up kick or snare. Also you can set velocity layers so that it will only trigger the hi hat in certain velocity ranges. This is good cos you don't always want the hh with the kick.

A little cheat I've used in the past is to make a sample that is two hi hat's 1/16 apart in whatever tempo your working with. This effectively halves the work load required to trigger your hats.
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By t_bias Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:13 am
yeah gotta say it's all about simult targets for me at the moment....

the velocity layers are almost useless with the old pads...
without dedicating one q-link slider to 'layer' or 'velocity'...
and those q-links are busy! they got other things to do!

and i haven't got the feel of the new pads to well enough estimate response
curve to make velocity layers useful again.

but the simult is super handy, been using that heaps lately...


nice work brux - sounds pretty wicked... 8)

By bruxism Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:14 am
Glad my fellow australians are with me on this one. I like the idea of the velocity layers and simulting stuff but rarely use it in practise.

While I totally admire people who keep full level off and use the velocity sensitive stuff, whenever i try to do it it always ends up sounding like arse, especially for more dance music stuff where you want the kit to stay pretty level.

Is there some kind of work around where i could make my pads with kicks and snares full level and my pads with hi hats on them velocity sensitive? That would be awesome if you could do that.

Oh, and i so hate the pads on the 1000, that i ended up buying an MPD24, so they sit side by side on my desk. Love the pads on my MPD, and the extra sliders and knobs send CC data to resolume to do twisted stuff to the visuals.
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By Mpc_Monk Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:34 am
cool shit bruxism, you guys have given me alot to chew on, i wonder do you guys give yourselves a pretty tight practice regiment to get down your chops or you just let it fly, been practicing myself and I definitely see the benefits, I try to put in a minimum of an hour a day of drumming practice, the thing is I really want to find that optimum pad/sound setup and keep it that way so that I can really get used to where everthing is, but I haven't found the one i'm comfortable with yet.
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By Mpc_Monk Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:36 am
i think this topic needs a sticky
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By saint_surly Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:59 am
yeah it's great reading this thread as i'm doing my 1st proper live gig next week.. I'm also from Australia, I didnt realise there was this many users from Oz.

Its been a real brain shift to try and take all the tracks i have so meticulously sequenced and constructed and break them out into a less structured live friendly set up, but still trying to maintain enough structure so it doesnt all fall apart.. :shock: its proving to be alot of work...

i'll be basically just rocking the mpc1000, turntable, mixer and vinyl... dropping some basic cuts and scratches and some atmospheric samples on the fly from the 1200..

does anyone have any detailed advice on setting up all your sequences and samples for a live set run 99% off the mpc? I'd be keen to get some other perspectives.. At the moment i'm going to break up my main 'finished song' sequences into sections so that i can mute tracks and use next sequence function and stuff.. Then save the whole set as an ALL file with seperate effects for each of my songs i wanna bang out.


not sure how much sense this post makes, but this is where i'm at at the moment with the live thing..
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By rinseout Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:50 am
bruxism wrote:Is there some kind of work around where i could make my pads with kicks and snares full level and my pads with hi hats on them velocity sensitive? That would be awesome if you could do that.


Just turn Velo->Level down