Questions about the mpc 5000: shoot

dutch wrote:Thanks for taking the time to answer all our questions and put what's printed into action but can you give us pics of the back of the unit

The back of the beast:

http://www.synthmusic.info/mp3s/back.jpg

Is there a Way to plugin a ASCII Keyboard ?
I dont like the workflow when it comes to givin to programms n samples names with the pads.
yo and scd, where from europe are you from ?

cheers
new socrates

wisdom7 wrote:Is there a Way to plugin a ASCII Keyboard ?
I dont like the workflow when it comes to givin to programms n samples names with the pads.
yo and scd, where from europe are you from ?

cheers
new socrates

Nope, no ascii keyboard possible like on the 4k unfortunately. USB is only for filetransfer. Not sure if it is something that could be changed. Will ask.

I am from the Netherlands.

Hey scd and Avene! i was interested in you timing experiments so i tried it on my MPC2500 using Akai os 1.23 and JJ os 5.47! if your interested check it out!

http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=89534

Peace!

Hi scd, sorry about the slow reply, been away from the net since my last post. Many thanks for testing that for me. So it is pretty tight, that's great. I definitely might even think about buying one now. Still want to see how Roger Linn goes with his though. So I guess it can play back at least 5 notes in perfect sync. That's 5 times tighter than the
MPC4000!

Trybtek, thanks for testing this on the MPC2500 too. I've got a friend with one, so he'll be interested in learning how well it did. I mentioned it to him once before about how bad the MPC4000 was. Interesting that JJ improved the timing as well. I actually think the MPC4000 may be so bad because it's sampler is triggered via midi internally, like they just put a separate Z4 sampler and MPC sequencer in there. It wasn't like your standard MPC sampler.

One more question for scd. Sorry if this has been answered before, but I couldn't find much about it in the manual. Can the 8 analog outs and the ADAT outs be used simultaneously? I get the feeling they can't be?

scd wrote:Click test:

Hey Avene, good news, the 5k does a pretty good job

First I assigned your sample to every of the 16 pads. Then I recorded a 1 bar sequence on 120 bpm with a click on the first and third beat.

I first recorded a single pad in Logic, it looks like this (maximum zoom factors):
http://www.synthmusic.info/mp3s/single.jpg

Then I recorded the sequence with the simultanious hit of all 16 pads with same duration and velocity:
http://www.synthmusic.info/mp3s/16click.jpg

As you can see there are three samples visible (again with maximum zoom factors in Logic). Every "hit" looks the same in Logic as well.

Proof that the 5000 has indeed a very tight timing.

SCD, hopefully you guys providing the scoop on the MPC 5000 are not turned off by the others on the forum talking trash.

I have another question about the continuous sample tracks. I know that the MPC 5000 can have up to 64 continuous sample tracks. Since these tracks are in fact still based upon sampled phrases, I have to assume that it east up polyphony. Correct? I am curious to hear the results of you creating several sequenced tracks and then turning the remainder of the MPCs 64 tracks into continuous sample tracks. I know this is an extreme..but I would like to know the max threshold of its capabilities.

Hey Boele,
Can you tell me how the MPC 5000 changes FX, Mixer Parameters, and Q Link settings between sequences?

Cheers,
Dave

OJ and renegadebliss: answers tomorrow

Thanks...appreciate the time you are taking to do this....

Avene wrote:One more question for scd. Sorry if this has been answered before, but I couldn't find much about it in the manual. Can the 8 analog outs and the ADAT outs be used simultaneously? I get the feeling they can't be?

Not sure if I understand this question? The ADAT output spits out the digital version of what is coming out of the Stereo OUT L, R, Mixout 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 analog outputs, right? (Or if you want to, you can change the Stereo OUT L+R to Mixout 1 + 2, see manual page 176).

So that *is* simultaneously right? I don't get it, sorry

OJ Reem wrote:SCD, hopefully you guys providing the scoop on the MPC 5000 are not turned off by the others on the forum talking trash.

Talking trash? Where?

I have another question about the continuous sample tracks. I know that the MPC 5000 can have up to 64 continuous sample tracks. Since these tracks are in fact still based upon sampled phrases, I have to assume that it east up polyphony. Correct? I am curious to hear the results of you creating several sequenced tracks and then turning the remainder of the MPCs 64 tracks into continuous sample tracks. I know this is an extreme..but I would like to know the max threshold of its capabilities.

I don't understand. Continuous sample tracks is nothing more then triggering a sample at it's right position without having the actual sample triggered by the recorded pad event (so you can start in the middle of a sequence, i.e. in the middle of a sample).
So it doesn't "eat" extra voices, it just uses a voice when the sample is playing.
Beware continuous sample tracks are assigned to pads (one per track). So each track is limited to one sample (one voice) when CST is turned on.

But maybe this is not my lucky day and I misunderstood your question?

renegadebliss wrote:Hey Boele,
Can you tell me how the MPC 5000 changes FX, Mixer Parameters, and Q Link settings between sequences?

Cheers,
Dave

Good question. Want to know myself too. I will set up a few sequences with extreme settings/changes in FX types/parameters, Mixer settings and recorded Q link controls, to see (and hear) how the transition from one to the other sequence sounds. Little patience please... first some coffee...
Again, if that is what you meant to ask?

scd wrote:Not sure if I understand this question? The ADAT output spits out the digital version of what is coming out of the Stereo OUT L, R, Mixout 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 analog outputs, right? (Or if you want to, you can change the Stereo OUT L+R to Mixout 1 + 2, see manual page 176).

So that *is* simultaneously right? I don't get it, sorry

No, actually, I was curious if both could be used simultaneously to provide 16 outs (8 analog + 8 adat). Obviously not it seems, it just mirrors what's coming out of the analog outs then.

Avene wrote:

scd wrote:Not sure if I understand this question? The ADAT output spits out the digital version of what is coming out of the Stereo OUT L, R, Mixout 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 analog outputs, right? (Or if you want to, you can change the Stereo OUT L+R to Mixout 1 + 2, see manual page 176).

So that *is* simultaneously right? I don't get it, sorry

No, actually, I was curious if both could be used simultaneously to provide 16 outs (8 analog + 8 adat). Obviously not it seems, it just mirrors what's coming out of the analog outs then.

Ahh, THAT's what you mean. No, it is indeed mirrored.
10 channels is always maximum: L+R, 1-8.
Adat output is always L+R 3-8, or 1-8. In short

Well, while the US of A was on one ear, I started to build some sequences with all kinds of settings.
I ended up in a 909 beating mellotron groove...

http://www.synthmusic.info/mp3s/mixtest.mp3

Anyway. This mp3 is a series of selfproduced sequences played in songmode. I only used static samples.

First sequence is a drumtrack going through FX bus 1 (synced delay plus compressor on delaysignal). No mixer automation
Second sequence is an E piano, going through FX buss 2 (Chorus and Reverb)
Third sequence is the drumtrack again, but now with all kind of panning recorded with mixer automation and speeded up to see if the delay follows.
Fourth sequence is the epiano again, but slowed down in tempo plus panning automation
Fifth sequence is the drumtrack again, to see if the delay pics up the tempochanges right again. It does

Then I got groovy The rest of the sequences is a building up of sounds on top of a sampled ARP 2600 sequence. All kinds of modulation, FX routings and mixerautomations recorded.
I got completely lost in groove building...sorry....

My endconclusion is: this all plays back fine.
One other conclusion: it is *really* fun to do this kind of composing with the 5k. You don't need anything else in that stage really (except a controller keyboard).