JJ o.s. ?

Not so sure if JJ could do this. I've never heard an explanation from the JJ crew as to exactly why they couldn't/wouldn't do anything with the 500 but the "Not really 5000 but actually 3500" is another question entirely because if it has USB2.0, more standard memory and a dedicated hard drive controller (has to for drive streaming/recording) then you have to be talking about a new hardware platform, though the fact that it has the same memory add-on limitation tells me it's probably just one of the newer or higher end devices from the same Renasis PDA line as the last three MPCs. Possibly the SH7263 or SH7203 instead of the old SH7727.

It's pretty well established that the JJOS is based on Akai code (i.e. it had the same sometimes terminal bugs which JJ eventually corrected) but it's possible they don't have the "access" to do the same thing for the "Not really 5000 but actually 3500" -- Unless perhaps they can code it from scratch.

With that and Akai's nearly abysmal software track record in mind, I think it would be foolhardy to invest in a "Not really 5000 but actually 3500" expecting JJ to cleanup Akai's messes again until we get more hard info on this subject or at least some statement from "JJ" on the matter.

renegadebliss wrote:

jocks wrote:It should be up to JJ if they want to hack the OS, just like before
.

Hmmm... JJ stole the Source Code for the OS's, he didn't hack them. So it's really up
to whether Akai wants to give him access to the Source Code, He didn't uncompile it from the sysex update....


But OJ Reem keeps indicating that "JJ" is back at Akai though I don't know how he knows this, so you may have to ask him, though if I was Akai, I wouldn't be hiring somebody who stole my source code back myself

As my big brother OJ would say, you can't steal what is yours...

There will be no JJ O.S. for this machine people but I wouldnt be shocked to find out that he is still and always was an AKAI employee. He didnt STEAL anything.

Do the math people the 5000 manual said that it will improve on it o.s. with YOUR input.

If you think a company like that would let someone profit like that off there code without problems....never mind that, listen.....

Us 1000 JJ O.S. users were all BETA testers for things to come..there's more coming trust me... I know this for sure! This 5000 will show you what I mean, just remember I said this

haahha man innnnnnnncorrect

BDRAKE wrote:..there's more coming trust me...

Ehhh... no thanks I'll believe it when I see it.



And if JJ was really a clandestine beta test operation, why oh why does the thing still only record 100,000 notes? Where's all those work flow improvements? If they used JJ to find out what people want, why didn't they incorporate all those improvements into the first OS?

Actually I can't really understand why they didn't put the features in even if it wasn't a clandestine beta test op..... guess they must just be stupid or something.

Nym wrote:haahha man innnnnnnncorrect

HAHA The #1 supporter himself
Dont you be so sure NYM even you can be fooled

The full story hasnt been told, only a small portion.

Elektrik I hear you but still there is more to what was told some of you are too smart for your own good. I wouldnt have thought so either.

dude, come on. all it takes is a one-eyed gander at the mpc5000 manual to see that the os of this machine looks FAR more like that of the akai os for the 2500/1000 than it does like the jj os.

do i need to post screenshots? down to the smallest stylistic detail (not to mention larger ones like the "erase !" girl) the mpc5000 clearly has an in-house os that does not resemble the jj os. large-style font? no GPE?

seriously. look for yourself. a non-partisan observer would tell you the exact same thing.

compare the screenshots of the first two, and then the last. notice in particular erase screens, load/save screens, font, chop...if the 5000 os was based on the jjos, then where's all the good stuff from the jj os? (don't come at me with "itz got adsr LOL" cuz that's nothing new, everything and its mother has that)

http://www.akaipro.com/documents/MPC500 ... v101a4.pdf
http://www.akaipro.com/documents/MPC250 ... Manual.zip

http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~mpc1000/os2/manual_e.htm

haha in short, the 5000 WISHES it had jj's code...

BDRAKE wrote:Elektrik I hear you but still there is more to what was told some of you are too smart for your own good. I wouldnt have thought so either.

Oh, well, now that you said that I'm totally convinced. Gonna place my preorder for 20 of 'em right now....






Ehhhh.... on second thought nahhhhhhhh

if the 5000 os was based on the jjos, then where's all the good stuff from the jj os?

Can you be more specific about that good stuff that you are talking about?

While we are waiting for an answer...I would like to draw attention to a 2007 MPC 2500/1000 feature request thread:

2007 Akai/JJ Improvement Suggestions
2006 was a good year on all fronts for improvement to the lastest MPCs. Here is my additional list of suggestions that would greatly enhance these MPCs. Many of these functions are possible with older MPCs:



1. Effects routable to individual outputs
2. Time Code – add 1/64 and 1/64 triplets
3. Recording: 16 bit, 12 bit, and 8 bit recording
4. Simul: Sequence and Song
5. Global note assign: GM and Cromatic
6. Filters: More filter types and/or EQ per each sample layer
7. Add EQ to the mixer section
8. Independent Amp Envelopes per each layer
9. Assign Q-link knobs/sliders to specific MIDI channels/CC
10. Sample loop playback modes: forward, reverse, alternating
11. Cross fade looping
12. Ability to name external devices connected to MIDI OUTS
13. Ability to name each MIDI channel
14. Programs: Add the ability to add at least one keygroup program
15. Editing samples using Q-link sliders: after key should toggle ON/OFF so you don’t have to hold them when adjusting sample start/end points
16. Real time timestretch/pitch shift using Q-link knobs/sliders on samples in memory
17. Piano roll edit for MIDI/keygroup tracks in addition to the grid edit for drum tracks
18. Click/metronome: routable to individuals outputs w/ volume control and selectable sounds
19. MTC slave improvement
20. Compatibility w/ legacy Akai CD Roms, as well as Roland and Emu
21. Saving/loading samples: List view with the ability to select individual or multiple samples to be loaded
22. Automatically assign multiple samples to a program in one pass
23. Back-up to CD-R (Programs, samples, sequences)
24. Assign up to two MIDI channels per track

Eleven of those features were added in these current MPC operating systems during the past year.

elektrik_muz wrote:

BDRAKE wrote:Elektrik I hear you but still there is more to what was told some of you are too smart for your own good. I wouldnt have thought so either.

Oh, well, now that you said that I'm totally convinced. Gonna place my preorder for 20 of 'em right now....






Ehhhh.... on second thought nahhhhhhhh

I'll second that also I'm not trying to sell you on it just fyi, This will be a interesting ride when it drops but for now IM COOL trust me

Nym wrote:dude, come on. all it takes is a one-eyed gander at the mpc5000 manual to see that the os of this machine looks FAR more like that of the akai os for the 2500/1000 than it does like the jj os.

do i need to post screenshots? down to the smallest stylistic detail (not to mention larger ones like the "erase !" girl) the mpc5000 clearly has an in-house os that does not resemble the jj os. large-style font? no GPE?

seriously. look for yourself. a non-partisan observer would tell you the exact same thing.

compare the screenshots of the first two, and then the last. notice in particular erase screens, load/save screens, font, chop...if the 5000 os was based on the jjos, then where's all the good stuff from the jj os? (don't come at me with "itz got adsr LOL" cuz that's nothing new, everything and its mother has that)

http://www.akaipro.com/documents/MPC500 ... v101a4.pdf
http://www.akaipro.com/documents/MPC250 ... Manual.zip

http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~mpc1000/os2/manual_e.htm

haha in short, the 5000 WISHES it had jj's code...

Uh NYM..... I never said anything about similarities in the O.S. not even once..please excuse me if that comment wasnt directed towards me but my point have been missed and in addition Im a fan of the JJ OS also so the only one who may know them facts better than me is YOU so dont get all sticky dude reread. My overall point is that this O.S for the 5000 will be handled in the JJ fashion ...Understand? No debate necessary your last comment although true is far from my point.

Again excuse me if that wasnt directed towards me.

With that said time will tell we'll move on.

Nym doesn't know all the facts about JJ. He he did, he wouldn't have wrote many of the things he has over the past two years.

OJ Reem wrote:Nym doesn't know all the facts about JJ. He he did, he wouldn't have wrote many of the things he has over the past two years.

I heard that but I understand his passion and yours Jah.

I just learned a lot of things in the past 2years about all of this and how it came to be. I didnt believe it at first but everything ended up being true. None the less I cant wait till it drops to give it a test drive. overall Im satisfied until the new Fantom G drops... THEN ITS ON

i'd never trade what i do know, jahrome, for your in depth knowledge of the mpc pricetag

my point is proven, the os of the mpc5000 does not include upgrade code from os1 or os2. all interested parties are invited to look at the manuals, other parties may continue to whine
i am out

^^^
Continue to believe what you want. I'm not lauging at you..I am laughing with you.

Nym, I found 30 features of the JJ OS that is in the MPC 5000 which are equal to or improved.