All the fellas with standalone multi-trackers...

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By anders882 Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:11 pm
I have the Boss Br-1600, It's got a lot of good effects and also has midi to sync up with the mpc when tracking out beats. The machine is pretty old I guess, but if you wanna buy a multitracker make sure you get one that has midi so you can record your beats with it. Good luck!!

By fader-pro Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:27 pm
Jacpot wrote:Stand alone multi trackers SUCK. I bought one then sold it. It was a lot cheaper for me to buy a sound card and hook it up to my lap top to track out. Plus using a computer program is ALOT EASIER and I think you get better results


Simply untrue....It's kinds like saying cars sux because you bought a Pinto.......and once you buy the computed and sound card....you're in deeper than many stand alones.....I'm not a big fan of all in one units wih mixers / HD recorderd / burners / FX ?etc.....but folks bring 'em here sometimes and some are making good music......

There are several HD recorders only - No FX no mixer etc that are every bit as good in tersm of sound quality as any computer out there.....

By Alphawolf Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:46 pm
I used a vostex vf 80 but I switched to pc recording....it sounded nice...

By fenix Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:35 pm
fader-pro wrote:
fenix wrote:[
my dual core dual 2.66ghz is only used for music and has never crashed with PT 7. I dont need a mouse because I have a control surface. I have external firewire drives that are hot swappable drives. Ummmm seems theres no difference there!


Difference is both price and personal preference....Your dual core
dual a ss wipin PC / Pro tools and firewire drive, system probably wasn't an $899 e-bay special.....even new at $1400 it's still probably a better deal....I suspect that eventually hardware won't be an option though....The visual assistance provided by pro tools and other programs can be invaluable. I've gone back to old school tecniques by choice. Had some dudes in, sayin, 'Just cut and paste that chorus in all the holes", and I'm like, "what? you can't just sing it?" Music for me has become more and more, the joy of playing; not editing, mixing, tweaking, etc.....but I can remember a time (a few short years ago) when the exact opposite was true; I'd spend an evening tweaking a 30 second solo and loved it...


You have been watchin to many pcs, my mac has never crashed. I swear.I think most systems using protools with very little third party plugs crash. Its the other shit that makes it crash. Makin beats wit protools helps me get back to the old school way of doin stuff. i track all my inst live then trigger with the mpc,drums and all!



PS. If you've got a PC that "Has NEVER crashed", you may be alone in this world. I see alot of PC's and I've never seen one that didn't require an occassional re-boot....

By adrian Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:36 pm
I have recommended the AKAI DPS24 in the past, and I am doing it again. The sound quality is incredible. I know one guy that had a song "mastered" professionally and he mastered one himself in the DPS. No one could tell the difference.
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By NguoiDuc Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:18 pm
Well, I think besides the technology, sound quality is often an issue of how good ur in command of your gear. I sometimes get the impression that people think, as long as they apply 4 different dynamics plug-ins to each track the sound will be great....

It's a pitty the DPS24 is so hard to get these days (well at least over here in europe).

By fader-pro Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:23 pm
NguoiDuc wrote: sound quality is often an issue of how good ur in command of your gear.
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More than gear, it's what you do with it...
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By fasttrackpimp Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:58 am
I think jacpot had the yamaha aw1600.
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By Upright Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:14 am
Jacpot wrote:Stand alone multi trackers SUCK. I bought one then sold it. It was a lot cheaper for me to buy a sound card and hook it up to my lap top to track out. Plus using a computer program is ALOT EASIER and I think you get better results




Yep....for sure. I use to track my stuff using a multitrack recorder. As time progressed I started noticing that there were somethings I just couldn't do like VST plug-ins, automating effects, and quick editing. I switched to PC based recording and it changed the way I make music. :D
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By NguoiDuc Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:27 am
I think if I wanted to do alot of arranging with audio files and such I would go the computer DAW way, too. But since I do all the arrangin in the MIDI domain I just really need something to track out to and do the final mixing....and of course recording one or the other vocal or live instrument.

Well, but like anything else it's always a matter of personal taste. I like buttons and jog wheels and knobs, another one has a huge VST or AU collection and does a lot of compin and such and another one is a bass player and has a friend with a SSL AWS900+ :wink: :wink: :wink:

...as long as the music is good!

By fader-pro Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:58 pm
I think DAW's are great too......it's just wierd when folks who drive a "chevy" gotta hate on "ford"


....there's cat's out there probably sound good on two cans and a string.
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By Upright Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:56 pm
fader-pro wrote:I think DAW's are great too......it's just wierd when folks who drive a "chevy" gotta hate on "ford"


....there's cat's out there probably sound good on two cans and a string.
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You guys that are in favor of the multitracker have some good points..but for me personally the PC is the way to go. I could never hate on another persons tracking method, like one guy said...as long as the music is good. :D


BTW: I'm pretty sure Kev Brown runs his stuff into a track recorder.

By ghostlywhitemachines Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:57 am
I use a BR 600 which has no midi to sync to. I sequence both on the mpc and on my yamaha qy70 and then track from my mpc, qy70 and my waldorf synth into the BR 600. Overdub guitars, percussion, piano, bass direct into the BR 600 or sample them on the MPC and then in, depending on the choon. Need to make a lot of changes by ear but some of the "errors" in synching end up sounding cool and making it into my mixes.

Computer based DAW would make some things easier, but some of the happy accidents wouldn't have happened! And I hate staring at a PC screen all day...
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By buddy maxwell Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:37 pm
Yamaha AW16G over here...
It's cool for me because I generally prefer hardware - the sliders and buttons...I realize I could get a control surface for my pc, but I'm just not there yet. The yamaha is rock solid, has okay pre's, not bad effects, and can do most things well.
If I did alot of hardcore editing a computer based system might be better - the aw is a **** to do lots of quick edits, automation is primitive, and I only have 16 tracks to work with...
But sometimes less is more - limitations can force you to think outside the box and really learn your machine...

One day I may get a pc-based system - but after the vista thing is worked out, and the prices drop a bit... :wink:
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By Blaknif Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:14 pm
I use a tascam 2488, I love it. My only complaint is the slow CD burner (I burn to a stand alone to work around that) The workflow is smooth. i also have the M Box2pro. I alternate between the 2.
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