Questions about the mpc 5000: shoot

Cheebatone wrote:

earwolf wrote:realtime swing/shuffle/note adjust/tc via qlinks?

Hey! I asked that already! Get your own questions!

Grr... I stood up this morning at 6.15 to answer some of those questions: no internet connection
And at work I have no MPC

scd wrote:

Cheebatone wrote:

earwolf wrote:realtime swing/shuffle/note adjust/tc via qlinks?

Hey! I asked that already! Get your own questions!

Grr... I stood up this morning at 6.15 to answer some of those questions: no internet connection
And at work I have no MPC

gah - so near and yet so far

cheebatone - i was simply reminding scd

@ LvngDead: could you explain a bit more precise what you exactly mean with "linear recording"? I don't understand.

About ADAT:
Unfortunately it is not possible, due to hardware limitations, to have a future OS where you could use the ADAT output for 8 HD tracks and the sequencer/sampler mixer for the analog + digital out.

I think I already answered the question about Qlinks in use with the T.C. parameters: no, that is not possible (yet). I think this could easily be implemented in a next OS.

Is this answering the questions or am I too lazy/dumb here?

scd wrote:I think I already answered the question about Qlinks in use with the T.C. parameters: no, that is not possible (yet). I think this could easily be implemented in a next OS.

Is this answering the questions or am I too lazy/dumb here?

hmm. all due respect but that probably means it ISNT going to happen. i believe if Akai had managed it, it would be there on launch. I wouldnt buy a 5k on the basis of what might happen with OS updates, given the 4k story (ask feline1) and/or the death of 1k updates after JJ appeared.

Does the 4k have this realtime swing/TC/note adjust functionality? Or any other MPC come to that? I think the RS7000 does it. JJ has a 'sort-of' version for OS1 - it allows it on record only, which is quite frustrating! Maybe it's impossible?

earwolf wrote:

scd wrote:I think I already answered the question about Qlinks in use with the T.C. parameters: no, that is not possible (yet). I think this could easily be implemented in a next OS.

Is this answering the questions or am I too lazy/dumb here?

hmm. all due respect but that probably means it ISNT going to happen. i believe if Akai had managed it, it would be there on launch. I wouldnt buy a 5k on the basis of what might happen with OS updates, given the 4k story (ask feline1) and/or the death of 1k updates after JJ appeared.

Does the 4k have this realtime swing/TC/note adjust functionality? Or any other MPC come to that? I think the RS7000 does it. JJ has a 'sort-of' version for OS1 - it allows it on record only, which is quite frustrating! Maybe it's impossible?

I can't talk with certainty about Akai's movements, but I very clearly see an attitude with them of "first we gonna make sure that what's on the 5k will work properly, then we'll see for improvements and additions".
I think that is the right way to do things. And I also believe that OS V1 won't be the last OS.

If the Q-links attached to those parameters are THAT important to you (which I don't understand, could you explain?) you will have to wait indeed. Again, to me it doesn't look like something earthshaking to implement it (if I understand you correctly in what you would like to see. Still not 100% sure).

The 4k story was a different Akai but it is understandable that people look the cat out of the tree as we say here in the Netherlands... First see than believe. That's fair.

Than again, I would not buy such a piece of hardware for future features. I would buy it for what it does at that moment.

thanks scd. i can see why you are beta-testing, you have a logical and rational approach to this, whereas some others might be having a crazed seizure at even the concept of this 'new flagship'. given your info to date, i am keen to check out the 5k when it's made available.

as regards the real-time options i mentioned, it's not a deal-breaker by any means, but it relates very much to how i like to use equipment. some never touch the track mutes - i like to play and record them like a piano performance - to me it is where the magic happens. i like to experiment whilst recording, switching quickly around the machine, trying things, going with the flow, letting the unit 'breathe' it's hard to explain these things to someone who doesn't work this way. an event-list person cares not for such 'vague terms'

anyway, i would use qlink to note adjust to help work out a nice lazy lag for the snare, pushing, pulling while the beat loops.

i would use qlink to TC to shift my options for precise rolls and repeats on the fly, dropping notes and ghost notes into those hard to reach areas of the pocket.

i would use qlink to swing % to add multiple types of swing to a track, giving the hats a different 'walk' to the kick.

all this stuff may sound trivial, but for making beats that really move it's fundamental. i have found even the simplest 'childlike' patterns have huge amounts of timing shifts going on - open 'in da club' in Guru as a loop and look at the lag you find on the kick hats and clap.

some people like to do all this AFTER they record but hey im not that type of guy...

I alwyas mess up while trying to explain things, but I'll try my best.

You know with most sampler/drum machines, especially the mpcs, there is a need to know the tempo of a sample because if you want your sequence to loop right, the sample has to match the tempo and the number of bars. At least that's how I've been doing it.

But on something like the MV series and DAW sequencers, you can just make your music however you want. If you like a sample, chop it up and lay it down linearly however you like and go back and add drums. After that, I can set the loop point to wherever I want. So my sequence will loop perfectly without me having to change tempos or even assign a number of bars.

I'm just wondering if on the MPC it's possible to do this. I don't have a problem with finding the tempo of a sample, but sometimes it just gets in the way and I'll spend 15-30 minutes just trynna get a seqeunce of one sample to loop perfect on the MPC.

Lemme know if you understood, lol. sorry for the length.

earwolf wrote:thanks scd. i can see why you are beta-testing, you have a logical and rational approach to this, whereas some others might be having a crazed seizure at even the concept of this 'new flagship'. given your info to date, i am keen to check out the 5k when it's made available.

as regards the real-time options i mentioned, it's not a deal-breaker by any means, but it relates very much to how i like to use equipment. some never touch the track mutes - i like to play and record them like a piano performance - to me it is where the magic happens. i like to experiment whilst recording, switching quickly around the machine, trying things, going with the flow, letting the unit 'breathe' it's hard to explain these things to someone who doesn't work this way. an event-list person cares not for such 'vague terms'

anyway, i would use qlink to note adjust to help work out a nice lazy lag for the snare, pushing, pulling while the beat loops.

i would use qlink to TC to shift my options for precise rolls and repeats on the fly, dropping notes and ghost notes into those hard to reach areas of the pocket.

i would use qlink to swing % to add multiple types of swing to a track, giving the hats a different 'walk' to the kick.

all this stuff may sound trivial, but for making beats that really move it's fundamental. i have found even the simplest 'childlike' patterns have huge amounts of timing shifts going on - open 'in da club' in Guru as a loop and look at the lag you find on the kick hats and clap.

some people like to do all this AFTER they record but hey im not that type of guy...

OK, now I understand what you mean. And you are perfectly right. At work they call me a structo-something...

The way you describe you work is very reasonable, specially for creating a "groove", I can see that. It is just not what all people do. I am the guy that is recording something in a inspirational mood, and I will correct, add, shift, mangle and distract from that recording afterwards indeed. And in a step edit way mostly. And I am sure there are lot's of other aprroaches in between.

Nevertheless I will add part of your post to the feature request list on the bugtracker with your permission. I see a lot of things that make perfectly sense.
For most of your options it is also necessairy that you can select a certain group of notes, or velocities, or times etc. That needs a whole new selection approach. Not sure if Akai is willing to at least look at that, but never asked is never added...

It could certainly raise the creativity-factor of the 5k. Thanks for your input.

scd wrote:

earwolf wrote:thanks scd. i can see why you are beta-testing, you have a logical and rational approach to this, whereas some others might be having a crazed seizure at even the concept of this 'new flagship'. given your info to date, i am keen to check out the 5k when it's made available.

as regards the real-time options i mentioned, it's not a deal-breaker by any means, but it relates very much to how i like to use equipment. some never touch the track mutes - i like to play and record them like a piano performance - to me it is where the magic happens. i like to experiment whilst recording, switching quickly around the machine, trying things, going with the flow, letting the unit 'breathe' it's hard to explain these things to someone who doesn't work this way. an event-list person cares not for such 'vague terms'

anyway, i would use qlink to note adjust to help work out a nice lazy lag for the snare, pushing, pulling while the beat loops.

i would use qlink to TC to shift my options for precise rolls and repeats on the fly, dropping notes and ghost notes into those hard to reach areas of the pocket.

i would use qlink to swing % to add multiple types of swing to a track, giving the hats a different 'walk' to the kick.

all this stuff may sound trivial, but for making beats that really move it's fundamental. i have found even the simplest 'childlike' patterns have huge amounts of timing shifts going on - open 'in da club' in Guru as a loop and look at the lag you find on the kick hats and clap.

some people like to do all this AFTER they record but hey im not that type of guy...

OK, now I understand what you mean. And you are perfectly right. At work they call me a structo-something...

The way you describe you work is very reasonable, specially for creating a "groove", I can see that. It is just not what all people do. I am the guy that is recording something in a inspirational mood, and I will correct, add, shift, mangle and distract from that recording afterwards indeed. And in a step edit way mostly. And I am sure there are lot's of other aprroaches in between.

Nevertheless I will add part of your post to the feature request list on the bugtracker with your permission. I see a lot of things that make perfectly sense.
For most of your options it is also necessairy that you can select a certain group of notes, or velocities, or times etc. That needs a whole new selection approach. Not sure if Akai is willing to at least look at that, but never asked is never added...

It could certainly raise the creativity-factor of the 5k. Thanks for your input.

HEY!
this isn't going to delay the shipping date is it?
i've already requested that week off of work

LvngDead wrote:I alwyas mess up while trying to explain things, but I'll try my best.

You know with most sampler/drum machines, especially the mpcs, there is a need to know the tempo of a sample because if you want your sequence to loop right, the sample has to match the tempo and the number of bars. At least that's how I've been doing it.

But on something like the MV series and DAW sequencers, you can just make your music however you want. If you like a sample, chop it up and lay it down linearly however you like and go back and add drums. After that, I can set the loop point to wherever I want. So my sequence will loop perfectly without me having to change tempos or even assign a number of bars.

I'm just wondering if on the MPC it's possible to do this. I don't have a problem with finding the tempo of a sample, but sometimes it just gets in the way and I'll spend 15-30 minutes just trynna get a seqeunce of one sample to loop perfect on the MPC.

Lemme know if you understood, lol. sorry for the length.

Let's see. I am still not sure if I understand it correctly, but I could try to explain what IS possible on the MPC:
A bare beat-sample, or "sampled phrase" in mpc terms has a certain original tempo and is 1 measure long (4 beats). Let's say the original tempo is 120 bpm. If it's used in a sequence that runs at 100 bpm, the sample will finish too early.

There are three possibilities on the MPC to correct this:

1. You can timestretch the 120 bpm sample to 100 bpm (with all kinds of algorithms for all kinds of material). From than on it will play 100 bpm in your 100 bpm sequence of course.

2. You can chop the sample into xx number of slices and than convert those into a "phrase sample", meaning you can lay that sample down in a sequence that runs initialy on 120 bpm, but changing the speed will also change the speed of the phrased sample, live. This is a sort of real time timestretching.

3. You can chop your sample into xx number of slices and assign the various slices to each of the 16 pads. Triggering the slices separetely gives you some freedom in speed.

Number two gives you the most freedom in changing the speed afterwards of course. But you need to do something for it. The MPC is calculating the original tempo by the way. Not always 100% accurate, but quite valuable.

I strongly suggest to read page 97-100 of the 5k manual. It's explained there.

earwolf wrote:HEY!
this isn't going to delay the shipping date is it?
i've already requested that week off of work

And you'll need that week. There is quite some stuff to discover on this MPC.

scd wrote:For most of your options it is also necessairy that you can select a certain group of notes, or velocities, or times etc.

Not if the focus is real-time timing variation of notes that are being played or recorded. You'd just play the notes you wish to affect. The rest of the sequence would be unaffected.

Furthermore, this would be effective with the current q-link->pad assignment process if the intent was to alter pre-recorded sequences. Simply assign a q-link to one of the quantize functions, then to a pad, overdub, hit the after key, and have at it.

Oh and I still eagerly await a demo of those modeled filters in action on some samples (particularly kick drum). Also, would you happen to know if the standard filters are the same or similar algorithm as the filters in the 1000/2500?

mp3 wrote:

scd wrote:For most of your options it is also necessairy that you can select a certain group of notes, or velocities, or times etc.

Not if the focus is real-time timing variation of notes that are being played or recorded. You'd just play the notes you wish to affect. The rest of the sequence would be unaffected.

Furthermore, this would be effective with the current q-link->pad assignment process if the intent was to alter pre-recorded sequences. Simply assign a q-link to one of the quantize functions, then to a pad, overdub, hit the after key, and have at it.

True. Good addition. I will create summary out of these posts. Thank you!

mp3 wrote:Oh and I still eagerly await a demo of those modeled filters in action on some samples (particularly kick drum). Also, would you happen to know if the standard filters are the same or similar algorithm as the filters in the 1000/2500?

Oh, yes, another one I forgot about... What do you want me to do? Just record a 4 beat bassdrum 120bpm and filter it? Any other material?

I'll ask about the filters.