Help/advice on saving procedures.. fairly detailed questions

With my work-flow I prefer to load up several drum programs at once (ie, 3 hihat programs, 3 kick progs, 3 snare progs etc.) each program filled to the brim (64 individual drum samples). This is my only work-around for not being able to audition during sequence play. (I simply can't guess which drums will sound good). I then save these programs & samples to autoload so I have them available for every project.

This seems to work okay because with all my drum programs loaded I still have about 70-80MB of RAM to play with for samples/synths etc.

NOW, what I'm trying to figure out is how in the hell to go about saving my projects.

What I usually will do is either load up chopped samples and create a new program using those samples AND/OR direct record an external synth. Either way, I will usually make about 2 NEW programs in ADDITION to the ones that were already autoloaded (my main drums).

I don't want to have to delete unused programs and then purge because we all know that takes eternity. So what I'm trying to figure out is if it's possible to save ONLY the new programs/samples that I have added (ie, chops/synths) THEN save "ALL SEQ/SONGS??" So essentially, I wouldn't be saving the autoloaded drum samples, only the program parameters they are in, and everytime I load up that "SEQ/SONG" file, all the initial drum samples would already be there. And I would only have to load the Chopped samples/synth progs/samples to get my Project back??

*Phew*

I know this is a very detailed question, but I'm forced to work this way considering I don't want to have to audition every drum in the load screen.

Does anyone else (NYM) have a similar work-flow and maybe could shed some insight on how they go about saving Projects with LARGE amounts of sample data in the memory w/out overloading the RAM?

And obviously I don't want to have to save "ENTIRE MEMORY" for each project considering every Project would then take up about 80-100MB of memory!! Not to mention FOREVER to load.

Is there an easier way to try and do what I'm doing? If so, I haven't been able to figure it out yet..

Since you seem to believe NYM is the only one on here who can help you, PM him and save the rest of us from reading your long ass post for no reason.

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damn why are you mad son? I just used him as an example because I know he builds loaded program banks as well.

this is a forum, where people ask and answer questions and provide helpful tips, suggestions, downloads, and other meaningful services.

apparently you have decided to contribute nothing, so quite frankly E.A.D.

How do I save. I am stupid. Thats all you had to say. And then we would have responded " READ THE MUTHAFUKCIN MANUAL".

With my work-flow I prefer to load up several drum programs at once (ie, 3 hihat programs, 3 kick progs, 3 snare progs etc.) each program filled to the brim (64 individual drum samples). This is my only work-around for not being able to audition during sequence play. (I simply can't guess which drums will sound good).

this is the cause of and solution to your problems. it's always the case when people start on their mpc. when i started on the mpc, i did this briefly, loaded huge pgms of multiple kits and would sift through them, "browsing."

bad idea. unfortunately this is a pain in the ass because of 1, what you described -- tons of extra sht you don't need -- and 2, it's the same as when you're learning to use a keyboard: hunt and peck.

it's simple: you haaave to learn to know what you want. it's not about "finding the right one," it's about knowing what would sound good, finding something close to it, and then using the mpc's parameters and other "sympathetic" sounds to nudge it where it works.

do yourself a favor: for every new song, start a brand spankin new (or empty preset pgm with specific params) DRUM pgm. this will force you to load less sounds and spend less time surfing.

my biggest prj folders are 40 some mb givertake

Do you think my question is as simple as "how do I save?" no, I am asking how to save a project when there are a large number of samples already loaded into the memory, and I am trying to avoid having to load up 80MB worth of samples every time I open a new project. The manual doesn't go into detail about this sort of thing that's why I'm posting here.

Thanks for contributing though, all of your snark remarks have really equated to absolutely 0 productivity. what I'm trying to figure out is, why are you even responding in this thread? I CLEARLY stated in the topic I have "Detailed questions" sorry if my long post bothered you so much, I'll try and place more practical disclaimers in the topic next time just for you. k?

just save the sequences and the programs ( new ones) given ur gonna use the drums that u said u always load first

Nym wrote:it's simple: you haaave to learn to know what you want. it's not about "finding the right one," it's about knowing what would sound good, finding something close to it, and then using the mpc's parameters and other "sympathetic" sounds to nudge it where it works.

do yourself a favor: for every new song, start a brand spankin new (or empty preset pgm with specific params) DRUM pgm. this will force you to load less sounds and spend less time surfing.

my biggest prj folders are 40 some mb givertake

You're right NYM, I guess I just want my cake and...

I nearly drove myself crazy @ work today trying to think of clever ways to save/recall projects while retaining all the autoload drums, while maintaining memory flexibility, while.....

lol, thanks for the input as always. I know us newbs can get annoying with these questions, so I definitely appreciate all the insight.

peace

Delete.

My tip for your method... don't save it as a project.

1.Create a new folder for each new beat.
2.In the folder :save only your new programs with samples.
3.In the folder :save all seqs and songs..or individual sequences
4.Load the entire folder when you want to start work on your track again
make sure that when you load the folder, you don't press clear when you load.That will make sure your autoload samples are still there to use.
5..if you want to save your dr programs..i.e. program variations using your autoload drums:save these just as programs within the new folder(no samples).

alternatively at step 5.you could save the program with samples as long as any unsused hits are not assigned to pads,so when you load up the folder next time it wont load all these hits you don't need... this also gives you a choice:
load folder press clear: to just load samples used in the beat
load folder don't press clear: to load the samples in the beat and retain your autoload sounds.

mikolo wrote:My tip for your method... don't save it as a project.

1.Create a new folder for each new beat.
2.In the folder :save only your new programs with samples.
3.In the folder :save all seqs and songs..or individual sequences
4.Load the entire folder when you want to start work on your track again
make sure that when you load the folder, you don't press clear when you load.That will make sure your autoload samples are still there to use.
5..if you want to save your dr programs..i.e. program variations using your autoload drums:save these just as programs within the new folder(no samples).

alternatively at step 5.you could save the program with samples as long as any unsused hits are not assigned to pads,so when you load up the folder next time it wont load all these hits you don't need... this also gives you a choice:
load folder press clear: to just load samples used in the beat
load folder don't press clear: to load the samples in the beat and retain your autoload sounds.

Hmm, good lookin' out Mikolo, that's a really detailed description and sort of what I was thinking as well. I was hoping there would maybe be a shortcut or easier method of doing this but I guess with that many samples loaded in the memory, it's hard to get around.

Honestly I just assumed this is how a lot of people used their MPC's. IMO its so convenient to be able to have ALL (or most) of your drums loaded up at once, it makes the creative process so much easier and more fluid (also one of the main reasons i didn't choose REASON over the MP) not to mention, there's 4 pad banks, why not use em!?

Hopefully for future models (or OS upgrades) they (JJ) take this method into consideration and allow integrated sequence & load options (dead horse I know), in addition to possibly incorporating more in-depth loading/saving features (ie, save only samples using sequence MIDI data)

yeah theres no real shortcut for what you want to acheive. I sample new drums each time i create a new beat ,and try to get them sounding like i want...like some of the others have mentioned.

just a few other thoughts:
The folder is loaded by highlighting the folder and pressing load i.e. you can load the folder in one pass.
The only time consuming thing would be getting rid of the sounds in your programs your not using.
If you end up only using a few hits out of your autoload programs.It might be quicker to use copy pad..and copy the few pads you are using into a new program. decide then whether its quicker to delete unused programs,purge and save all programs or just to save your new programs individually...
...make a cup of tea while your purging

"delete program with sample" would be a good idea,someone mentioned it not to long ago,

RTFF (Read the Freakin' FAQ) It's all in there!

By the way... the above Tipp - Loading a folder - does not guarantee that everything loads and assigns correctly. INSTEAD, loadt the .prj file

PEACE

It never gives me any problems. I keep all the samples and associated programs in the same folder.