the gaps in between each sample chop is too obvious!!

what i mean is.....say i sampled a 4 bar loop and divided it into 4 parts, when i arrange each part to play at the beginning of each bar, there seems to be gaps when i play it back.

i'm pretty sure i looped it nice and tight with the original sample, like got the correct start & end points.

i tried increasing the tempo a little to create some overlap..and that seems to have done the trick...but is there a better way to this?

did you find the tempo of the loop before you chopped it?

you need to have the right tempo. If you have the tempo too slow, then you will have gaps.

I wouldnt necessarily say that. i've dropped samples in a couple of times at the exact bpm and i almost always have to speed it up a tad. couldn't quite explain why though

yeah i'm pretty sure i had the right tempo.

thing is, when it comes to looping something, you'll always be able to make the loop tighter- you never probably have it EXACTLY right, however it's likely you'll get it within 0.1 bpm

yeah the thing is that tempo can go down to .000 of a bpm so sometimes the mpc will round up or down.....best way is to fudge loop it and create a fake release tail or reverse the sample to fill the gap up...stuff thats mentioned in tutors tutorials....

greg

I think he's right it's not only the tempo, IMO...
It's a little natural decay that the pads have... even if you set the decay to zero they seem to have a little decay, I hate it ...
The tempo rounding thing makes sense too, but the gaps are a little bit too pronounced to be explained by a 100th of a bpm difference, IMO...
Turning up the tempo is a little too imprecise of a solution to satisfy me, as is leaving that extra end margin when you slice...
The fake release tails and reverse samples that Greg mentioned sound OK but sounds like something you would do on wave editing software not on the MPC itself, without a lot of frustration and work just to compensate for a glitch in a machine you paid $1000+ for. I bought an MPC so I don't have to sit in front of a computer to make music, and now I have to go back to the computer to make things loop right?
So I bought an ASR10, problem solved, kind of... several kinds of crossfades for loops, but I haven't got the hang of chopping without a wave to look at, and I can't even really go by the numbers cuz my LED display is all burned out!!

yeah as far as i know the mpc creates a few ms of silence at the end of all samples to avoid clicks from imprecise chopping. i imagine thats something to do with it?

Yeah but that doesn't help those of us that DO chop precisely.

or those of us that loop some things.

aster hit it right on the head. theres definately a slight decay when you assign a sound to the pads.

chop a break, play a hat, itll sound perfect, take it into the soundform screen and you notice like a small tail of another hat or a kick or whatever it be. you go back to the pad, play it and you dont hear it.

i normally speed up any loop .5 -1 bpm

its not gonna be exact so give yourself some room either way and just slightly play around.

if the gap is that bad, timestretch the samples to make em fit better. If that doesn't work, stretch em as far as you can before it starts to sound crazy, and then add a touch of reverb to take up some of the dead spaces. If that's doesn't work, add a slight delay to the same sample, but at a lower volume. Layer the original sample but have it play back 'slightly' later, so the tail end of the sample (with the lower volume) keeps playing when the original is finished. If that doesn't work, your gaps are toooooo large..

PS. Another thing (for the 2000/3000/60 users) simply adjusting the tuning by + or - 1 is like cheap timestretching. You won't notice the difference, but you may notice that the samples will fit better in the track.

This is a bit of a crude way to get around this problem but it works a lot of the time, leave an extra beat on your loops, after you put them on the pads put them in mono and set one to cut the other off. That little gap will be gone.
(Where you set sample to mono/poly etc. press open window, the window that follows allows you to select two other samples to cut off)

Only problem is when you start swiching the order up or when you go to the next sequence, you can hear the extra beat.
If you choose an empty pad to cut your loop off and place one at the begining of the seq. wtihout the loop you can get around the problem. As for the switch the loop up problem, if you work it out you can set the loops to cut each other off, if not assign them to more pads.

This is a method I use all the time, however I believe with careful manipulation of the start and end points of your sample the MPC isn't as bad as you all are making it out too be.

nah aster..the fudge looping is something you have to do on the mpc.....

and there is a reverese function in sample edit right?

easy as pie

greg

try this yo i had the same problem and this fixed it nicely, , i took the end of each sample and added reverb to it in cool edit to make it sound more natural rather then cutting off to quick, then cut out a silent part of the sample and loop it for a few seconds enough to trigger it and have it playing during the transitions of yur main samples,even tho its just a silent sample itll still help create continuity wit yur beat cuz theres a diffrence between the type of silence u get when theres no samples playing and the type of silence u get when theres a sample playing that is silent,hope i explained this right ,peace