Questions about the mpc 5000: shoot

Talking about quantize again. I was looking through the MPC 4000 manual and that is exactly the way I think it should be on the 5000. Akai went with the 2500 implementation which is a step backwards.

On the 4k you can audition the settings in real time while the T.C. window is open before you commit. This is a big deal and the 2500/5000 way is a major step backwards.

I also see that the 4k has a separate mode button that turns quantize recording on or off. Here if you only quantize after recording you don't have to change the note value to the off position each time after quantizing before recording.

Last, on the 4k the note range field are on one page with swing etc. so you don't have to pull up two separate pages for quantize. Again the 5k borrowed the two screens from the 2500 that had a reduced screen size. This is no longer necessary on the 5000 because of the larger screen.

I would like the 4k implementation with the addition of the strength and window parameters.

b-righteous wrote:Talking about quantize again. I was looking through the MPC 4000 manual and that is exactly the way I think it should be on the 5000. Akai went with the 2500 implementation which is a step backwards.

On the 4k you can audition the settings in real time while the T.C. window is open before you commit. This is a big deal and the 2500/5000 way is a major step backwards.

I also see that the 4k has a separate mode button that turns quantize recording on or off. Here if you only quantize after recording you don't have to change the note value to the off position each time after quantizing before recording.

Last, on the 4k the note range field are on one page with swing etc. so you don't have to pull up two separate pages for quantize. Again the 5k borrowed the two screens from the 2500 that had a reduced screen size. This is no longer necessary on the 5000 because of the larger screen.

I would like the 4k implementation with the addition of the strength and window parameters.

According to the MPC 5000 manual, you can also audition the settings in real time while the T.C. window is open before you commit. With the addition of window and strength, plus the ability to swing triplets..the MPC 5000 has the most advanced TC functions of any MPC.

According to the MPC 5000 manual, you can also audition the settings in real time while the T.C. window is open before you commit. With the addition of window and strength, plus the ability to swing triplets..the MPC 5000 has the most advanced TC functions of any MPC.

Incorrect!

The 5000 manual is kind of cryptic when explaining quantize. When it refers to real time it is speaking specifically about during recording only. scd has already confirmed that real time auditioning of quantize on prerecorded material is not possible on the current beta.

I do agree that the new strength and window is a big plus.

As far as swing to triplets is concerned I thought that has always been possible because triplets is just a swing of 75% and above? Maybe they meant for 32nd notes.

b-righteous wrote:

According to the MPC 5000 manual, you can also audition the settings in real time while the T.C. window is open before you commit. With the addition of window and strength, plus the ability to swing triplets..the MPC 5000 has the most advanced TC functions of any MPC.

Incorrect!

The 5000 manual is kind of cryptic when explaining quantize. When it refers to real time it is speaking specifically about during recording only. scd has already confirmed that real time auditioning of quantize on prerecorded material is not possible on the current beta.

I do agree that the new strength and window is a big plus.

As far as swing to triplets is concerned I thought that has always been possible because triplets is just a swing of 75% and above? Maybe they meant for 32nd notes.

I don't find the manual cryptic. Actually..my statement isn't incorrect. I simply wrote what was written in the manual. In your statement I quoted, you didn't differentiate between TC features during recording or playback. In the MPC 5000s manual p24, it outlines how to change positions of performance data in real-time and using FIX to make the changes permanent. This is not what you are looking for?

Additionally, the MPC 5000 can undo and redo sequence recordings while the sequence is playing (an MPC first). You can utilize this feature with TC.

As far as swing and triplets...I would reserve judgement until you actually use this feature. Manuals don't explain everything and just like every MPC before this...there are things that users will come up with that Akai/Numark programmers probably can't conceive at these early stagess.

Maybe you are not understanding what I am wanting? Keep in mind my post on this page is a continuation from earlier in this thread on another page. If you read that it will be more clear that I am speaking about the off line process and do not want to quantize my new notes as I am recording.

There is no real time auditioning of quantize other than during the recording of new sequence data. Once data is recorded and you want to quantize that prerecorded material there is no way to audition the changes in the window. scd gave a quote from akai earlier in this thread to clear up the confusion. The quantize works the same as the 2500 in its implementation other than the strength and window parameters plus higher resolution.

The manual is deceiving because on page 24 it shows a picture of the off line quantize window next to the explanation of the input quantize or "real time timing correct".

It says

The Timing Correct window will be displayed as shown on the right.

The picture is in the wrong place and makes you assume you can audition in real time from the fix it window but just like the 2500 you can't. Also if you overdub record and try to adjust swing in real time it does not affect prerecorded notes it only affects new notes being recorded.

Yes, you are right there b-righteous

b-righteous wrote:Maybe you are not understanding what I am wanting? Keep in mind my post on this page is a continuation from earlier in this thread on another page. If you read that it will be more clear that I am speaking about the off line process and do not want to quantize my new notes as I am recording.

There is no real time auditioning of quantize other than during the recording of new sequence data. Once data is recorded and you want to quantize that prerecorded material there is no way to audition the changes in the window. scd gave a quote from akai earlier in this thread to clear up the confusion. The quantize works the same as the 2500 in its implementation other than the strength and window parameters plus higher resolution.

The manual is deceiving because on page 24 it shows a picture of the off line quantize window next to the explanation of the input quantize or "real time timing correct".

It says

The Timing Correct window will be displayed as shown on the right.

The picture is in the wrong place and makes you assume you can audition in real time from the fix it window but just like the 2500 you can't. Also if you overdub record and try to adjust swing in real time it does not affect prerecorded notes it only affects new notes being recorded.

Thanks for clearing that up. I understand what you want the new MPC to do. But I have to add that the TC of the MPC 2500 is pretty much the same as the MPC 60, 2000XL, and 3000. If the MPC 4000 has the ability to auditon TC changes in real-time, that is a respectable feature request.

Nice discussion you two handled that aspect of the 5k very well indeed without all the silliness. Well done. The 5k still a way to go yet.

Askia Shaheed wrote:
Thanks for clearing that up. I understand what you want the new MPC to do. But I have to add that the TC of the MPC 2500 is pretty much the same as the MPC 60, 2000XL, and 3000. If the MPC 4000 has the ability to auditon TC changes in real-time, that is a respectable feature request.

Which has been added to the 5k feature request list.

Today, I called the company that I am ordering my MPC 5000 from about when to expect my MPC. I was told that they will receive their initial shipment tomorrow and then the next shipment in May. So I am just keeping my fingers crossed that I was one of the first to submit my order...

Askia Shaheed wrote:Today, I called the company that I am ordering my MPC 5000 from about when to expect my MPC. I was told that they will receive their initial shipment tomorrow and then the next shipment in May. So I am just keeping my fingers crossed that I was one of the first to submit my order...

we are all praying for you brother. with gods will this can happen. i know i'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed, making a wish and sending out as many positive vibes to the distributors as I possibly can. please merciful god make this happen. PLEASE

earwolf wrote:

Askia Shaheed wrote:Today, I called the company that I am ordering my MPC 5000 from about when to expect my MPC. I was told that they will receive their initial shipment tomorrow and then the next shipment in May. So I am just keeping my fingers crossed that I was one of the first to submit my order...

we are all praying for you brother. with gods will this can happen. i know i'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed, making a wish and sending out as many positive vibes to the distributors as I possibly can. please merciful god make this happen. PLEASE

Then when can start having more conversation about actually using the MPC versus all the Akai hate mail.



scd...I know it was already discussed that Akai is reluctant to add features JJ implemented (at users requests)...but there is one stand out feature that many beat makers/re-mixers would like in an MPC. This is real-time time stretch and pitch shift. Most Roland workstations including the MV line has this feature. JJ has added this feature to the latest OS2 but you can't use it with other tracks nor can you save the stretch samples. I think Akai should pick up this dropped ball and run with it.

Check it out here:
http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~mpc1000/os2/extra25.htm

Askia Shaheed wrote:Today, I called the company that I am ordering my MPC 5000 from about when to expect my MPC. I was told that they will receive their initial shipment tomorrow and then the next shipment in May. So I am just keeping my fingers crossed that I was one of the first to submit my order...

Awesome! Maybe there's also a chance that I can lay my hands on one soon~!

Askia Shaheed wrote:Today, I called the company that I am ordering my MPC 5000 from about when to expect my MPC. I was told that they will receive their initial shipment tomorrow

I doubt that is true.

Askia Shaheed wrote:
Thanks for clearing that up. I understand what you want the new MPC to do. But I have to add that the TC of the MPC 2500 is pretty much the same as the MPC 60, 2000XL, and 3000. If the MPC 4000 has the ability to auditon TC changes in real-time, that is a respectable feature request.

Hmm... Regardless of whether the 4000 or ANY other MPC does this, it s a valid and respectable feature request... not ALL feature requests are going to be on the previous MPC's... with the logic your supplied above, Akai should remove the "Strength" feature from TC because it wasn't implemented on a previous MPC and therefore not a respectable request... at least wtih the logic that was layed out..

Cheers,
Dave