os 2 is retarded.

what a confused, half-baked effort.
Such a shame. It could have been great.

workin REAL SWELL over here:

http://nymantics.com/nym-emergencydiet.mp3
http://nymantics.com/nym-prelude.mp3
http://nymantics.com/nym-footpath.mp3

good for you.

I can sort of see both sides of this. I'm a 2k user but like to keep an eye on the JJ OS situation simply because I like MPCs and like to know about new music technology. Plus a while ago I was in possession for a couple of weeks of a friends 1000 with one of the early incarnations of JJ OS 1.
Looking at the JJ OS 2 specs it does seem to me that there a lots of new features that some people may think is too much for an MPC, but they like me maybe also use DAWs and soft samplers as well. I do think that the os 2, while extremely powerful, does look confusing on paper, I really don't know if its the same in practice.
Thats why I use a 2k. Although I like the look of the new range MPCs, I could never justify owning one considering I already have Logic and Live as well.
I do believe though that for someone who uses the MPC 1000/ 2500 as their main or only piece, the os 2 must be a dream come true. They can take the time to really learn the os2, all the various menus etc. (unlike people like me who have invested lots of time already to learn Logic etc) and it seems to me that there are features there that rival higher end music software.

While the improved chop shop is great...none of the features specific to the JJ OS rival highend music software. It is not even close. If I am incorrect, please let me know about a specific feature that proves me wrong.

I agree with KV. Spec wise, it sounds great, but I like using OS-1 A LOT more! Going from Akai to JJ wasn't too bad.. actually it was pretty east to convert, and after a few days, the JJ OS felt even better than the original. I don't get the same feeling between OS-1 and 2. There are lots of drum machines out there that do more than the MPC does, but the MAIN reason people use MPC's is because of the ease of use, not the many functions it can do. Don't get me wrong, i like the idea of doing more, but JJ needs to make things a lot easier to use. OS-2 reminds me of my ASR-X. So many parameters and pages of info. I swear I've seen about 4 different screens that allow you to tune a sample..they all do the same thing! Half the time I make adjustments and hear nothing. Non destructive editing, Nice, ASDR, great. Put this on OS-1, clean up any bugs, and I swear I won't have a need to upgrade this OS ever again. I'm quite sure my Flash ROM is getting tired of the constant changes! haha

"ease of use" is learned.
put your hours in...learn the os before writing it off

often, you guys admit you "Are lost" or "don't understand," then post frustrated belittlement.
it's very easy -- too easy -- to speak poorly of something from an inexperienced perspective.
and that's especially evident from someone who knows the os inside and out.

os2 is very, very easy. it's no harder than os1, often easier.

"mpcs" and "ease of use" is a misconception
mpc's an instrument, it's a struggle to learn it. the more functional it is, the harder it's gonna be - that's true of ANY software or ANY instrument.

if there was an instrument in existence where a complete beginner could sit down and top me and my experience, music would not be worth making.

Askia Shaheed wrote:While the improved chop shop is great...none of the features specific to the JJ OS rival highend music software. It is not even close. If I am incorrect, please let me know about a specific feature that proves me wrong.

Please don't think I'm suggesting that an MPC with os 2 can complete fully with Logic etc, far from it.
I'm just saying that os 2 seems to include features that would only previously be found in higher end DAWs.
I take your point though and 'rival' was probably the wrong word to use.

To each its own but as far as i'm concerned, i'm very happy about JJOS 2.
It was not that long to get used to it. You got to relearn how to access certain menus, but nothing that complicated.The new features ( especially non destructive chop and ADSR) are really a big plus and a real workflow upgrade.

Of course it's not comparable to DAW softwares like Cubase, Logic etc... but neither was Akai os or JJ OS1... still it's cool to be playing around chops or ADSR enveloppes without having to go back and forth with a DAW...
And as far as imperfections and bugs, the JJ team are fixing them quite quickly (already 5 upgrades in 2 weeks, not bad).

I think OS-2 has more people disliking it over OS-2 already.
I can make a beat on os-2, but I enjoy the process on OS-1 a lot more.

Nym wrote:"ease of use" is learned.
put your hours in...learn the os before writing it off

often, you guys admit you "Are lost" or "don't understand," then post frustrated belittlement.
it's very easy -- too easy -- to speak poorly of something from an inexperienced perspective.
and that's especially evident from someone who knows the os inside and out.

os2 is very, very easy. it's no harder than os1, often easier.

"mpcs" and "ease of use" is a misconception
mpc's an instrument, it's a struggle to learn it. the more functional it is, the harder it's gonna be - that's true of ANY software or ANY instrument.

if there was an instrument in existence where a complete beginner could sit down and top me and my experience, music would not be worth making.

No MPC is difficult to use. They all operate pretty much the same no matter which OS you use. Anyone familar with MIDI sequencers will be able to work an MPC without reading the manual.

JJ OS2 does need plenty of work. It doesn't feel professional and needs to be streamlined more. I gave JJ my input on improving the OS.

Nym wrote:often, you guys admit you "Are lost" or "don't understand," then post frustrated belittlement.
it's very easy -- too easy -- to speak poorly of something from an inexperienced perspective.

Who do you think you are calling inexperienced? WE GET IT. I can vouch for Roxtar and myself as using mpcs much longer than you have so kill the condescending attitude.

king vitamin: nothing condescending about it. i've used os2 longer than you have. why does that have to be offensive?

jahrome: the mpc forum history is a testament to the fact that even the simplest software loaded onto some mpcs continues to boggle countless minds.

I dont get what the issue is.. you are the start of a journey.. not the end.
JJ responds to user input, and possibly, constructive critisism could go a long way - calling it retarded seems harsh at this stage.

Here's to hoping it will improve. I spent the last few days using it heavaly and that's my conclusion.

If it works for you, that's awesome.