JUST GOT DONE USING THE 5000

scd wrote:No, that is not possible. But I could enter it as a feature request in the bugtracker. Actually done that now.

Thanks for doing that. It would definitely speed up the workflow.

Along with the JJ OS the MPC 4000 has this feature. When editing a program you can set if edits are applied to one pad or for all pads with the edit parameter. You can select one, all, or add which only adjust the pads relative settings. This is really a needed feature. It should be simple to implement but this one simple parameter makes a HUGE difference. All it does is highlights all the pads in the program as the target for edits.

Nym wrote:oh, it's possible...and necessary.

program parameter control was what was being discussed, not qlink control of program (which is no new news for mpcs, btw, i've been on that QLINKTRACK tip since 2006)

so program building in the 5000 is still a 1 pad at a time thing. what a shame! chopping a 16+ slice wav, and then having to INDIVIDUALLY set 20+ program parameters per pad?? 32 equal slices that you want to apply the same ADSR settings to, one at a time?

yow. that reminds me of my 1k back in 2005.
i wonder how long the 5000's data wheel encoder will last with all that unnecessary mileage...

My guess is that the data wheel will last as long as the data wheel's of MPCs for the past 20 years or so.....MPCs that also don't have GPE.

yoo what's up

according to nick at VST, most commonly replaced part on mpcs regardless of digit preceding three zeros (excluding tact switches, which appear to be POS by international law) is the rotary encoder...this is even true of relatively new models, like the 2500 which has a much more robust encoder than the 1000's little tater tot.

any stress that can be avoided on these suckers is for the best, both in terms of saving time and saving parts, regardless of model. and folks are ROUGH on these things - within reason. it's just an unfortunate "weak spot" in the mpc series - the rotary encoder is basically the mpc's "mouse."

have you had the unfortunate pleasure of hearing/reading that whole mackie marketing rant about the durability of their mixers? how force applied to their sliders/knobs isn't transferred directly to the pcb but is instead transferred to the frame, thus preserving the life of the potentiometers? though you have to be careful not to get carried away by the hype, it's actually a very good idea.

unfortunately there's none of that in the mpc series that i've seen uncovered. yet, anyway. on my latest rotary encoder install (numero tres) i build this rubber thing that transfers the force of the "spin'' elsewhere other than the actual encoder. so far so good, it could be perfected but i think this will preserve the life of this particular encoder at least until i take the time to find an adequate replacement

jay.hue wrote:does anyone know if JJ is going to be making an OS for it?

very unlikely, jj was able to dev the 1k os because he was one of the original developers and had access to the source code

presumably he was able to mod the 2k5 os because it was similar enough

the 5k os has been developed by different people altogether, the team responsible for some of akai's greatest moments including the dps24

these guys know what they're doing, hopefully the os will be tight enough to not need jj

I am not trying really trying to debate how robust MPCs data wheels are. However, over the past 10 years (MPC 2000, 2000XL, 3000, 4000, and 2500), I have never had an issue with the data wheel of any new MPC I have owned personally. (The tact switches and the LCD screens as well as some 'shorts' in the volume/record knobs were the most frequent issues I have seen when buying second-hand MPCs.) In the end, it really does come down to how you use and take care of your gear. With the addition of the q-link sliders and knobs, it will save all the wear -n- tear on the data wheel. From my own personal experiences, I don't anticipate have any problems in this area. When my MPC 5000 finally arrives, I will be sure to write about any issues I have with the quality of the build. Until then...back to trying to configure a PC to run GigaSampler 3 (what a headache )

jellyjim wrote:

jay.hue wrote:does anyone know if JJ is going to be making an OS for it?

very unlikely, jj was able to dev the 1k os because he was one of the original developers and had access to the source code

presumably he was able to mod the 2k5 os because it was similar enough

the 5k os has been developed by different people altogether, the team responsible for some of akai's greatest moments including the dps24

these guys know what they're doing, hopefully the os will be tight enough to not need jj

Let's keep it real for a minute. Although JJ has done much to add numerous features to the MPC 1000/2500, I don't personally want him/her/they to have anything to do with this new MPC. It's time to give the MPCs operating systems a new/fresh perspective. JJ needs to focus on actually finishing the OS for the 1000/2500.

It's time to give the MPCs operating systems a new/fresh perspective

yes, yes yes. i couldn't agree more. however, as we've seen, there's gonna be strong resistance to "fkin with the basics" or w/ever. that's not my scene - if the basics could benefit from fkin with, have at it.

but would you venture the guess that the 5000 os is truly either new or fresh? i've not used one, of course, just read that manual. maybe i just can't get past the appearance/layout but excluding the new bits it seems really form-fitting to recent tradition, nothing too fresh going on

but no, i totally agree, let akai spend their efforts on the 5000
from a selfish perspective i prefer the current status quo!

also, re-data wheel. i'm basically running on the word of VST regarding the wheel being high on the list of most repaired parts, that and the observation that thhing gets used, a LOT. i've mentioned briefly before, but a 40 some sliced sample program w/ individual ADSR settings is gonna put some mileage in that thing for sure.

Nym wrote:

It's time to give the MPCs operating systems a new/fresh perspective

yes, yes yes. i couldn't agree more. however, as we've seen, there's gonna be strong resistance to "fkin with the basics" or w/ever. that's not my scene - if the basics could benefit from fkin with, have at it.

but would you venture the guess that the 5000 os is truly either new or fresh? i've not used one, of course, just read that manual. maybe i just can't get past the appearance/layout but excluding the new bits it seems really form-fitting to recent tradition, nothing too fresh going on

but no, i totally agree, let akai spend their efforts on the 5000
from a selfish perspective i prefer the current status quo!

also, re-data wheel. i'm basically running on the word of VST regarding the wheel being high on the list of most repaired parts, that and the observation that thhing gets used, a LOT. i've mentioned briefly before, but a 40 some sliced sample program w/ individual ADSR settings is gonna put some mileage in that thing for sure.

There is certainly nothing wrong with sticking to the 'status quo". We all know that there are way too many users of older MPCs (60/60II, 2000/XL, 3000) that have none of the features of the MPC 1000/2500. They are doing just fine.

As all the MPCs before it, we will just have to wait and see what the final feature set of the MPC 5000 will include. I honestly believe that Akai/Numark have some amazing things planned for the MPC 5000....its only logical (which can be debated ). In reality..we are still talking about a sampler though. And even with the feature set JJ has provided for these latest MPCs, they still don't match up to the features of the MV-8800. And I still don't want an MV-8800...go figure that out. So I have to ask you....I know you have a love for your 1000 and the JJ OS...but seeing all the things you do with it, I believe the MV series may be a better fit for you. And MV users (forum members) actually love their machines and Roland...actually, MV users seem to love eachother as well unlike MPC forum members

I think people should stop thinking about a machine that can do everything. Everyone should think about getting a machine or software which does the one thing and then get equipment which can perfectly do the other task. Anyway, it is much more fun to have several machines working together and triggering each other! Try it! Connect your Electribe for example via MIDI to you sound module. Here you go....you have a nice simple 8 bar 16 step sequencer!

Don't only be creative with your music, be creative with how you use your ish!

doing "everything" is definitely unattainable

but global parameter editing capability is something that should by default be coupled with any "slice" or "chop" feature in 2008, definitely not too much to expect. especially since this is "chop shop 2.0!!!!!!!11111"

Nym wrote:global parameter editing capability is something that should by default be coupled with any "slice" or "chop" feature in 2008, definitely not too much to expect.

My man, I completely agree. I've been without that feature since I started making beats in the mid 90's so it's not a deal breaker for me. I can see why JJOS users and MPC4000 owners frown on this "flagship" machine. Hopefully the new Akai dev team will listen to the beta tester's requests and implement the requested features in future OS updates. I'm not holding my breath either.

Where is Andy?

mjames4208 wrote:Where is Andy?

LOL! Where is Andy? Nice one, but on the real there is a lot of good points in this forum. Everybody input has great detail and if one of Akai engineers are reading ( only the Lord knows ) they maybe already creating a updated os since the MPC5000 first shippment is due to release in just a few days 05/05/08. We can only pray, and hope for the best out of this new flag shipp for those of us who have already preordered one. Let us all be mindful of those who are reading these forums and relying on us as exprienced MPC user's to make up there mind to go with a MPC instead of the MV8800. Not to down Roland MV8800, but regardless of all that at the end of the day it's what make you productive and satified with your work on the unit you use.



Marco Dane

No, JJ will not have an OS for this.