Does anybody know where I can get a record pressed?

Jfalconcrest wrote:

mikolo wrote:check out http://www.carverycuts.com/ for one off vinyl presses.
these guys use a digital method to put the sound on vinyl
(not acetate, which is the normal quick degrading format for dubplates).

It avoids the process of making a metal master plate which is normally the expensive part of manufacturing a record, this usually means its not cost effective for one off presses.

They're used by a lot of scratch dj types to make custom scratch records.It sounds like you want it for a similar purpose but with producing in mind rather than battling.

Thank you so much mikolo. This thing was getting WAY out of hand. Although, to the original poster, why do you want to put your beats onto a vinyl record? Not a dig at you or anything, I just want to understand the method behind the tactics, ya know?

he said he wants to sample drums off it?

you can get a single for around 50 buucks,but it's will play 100 times, you prolly wont play it that much inless you dj , then go the the package rate and get 500 made and make your money back.

another thing you have to keep in mind is that most places in less you have permisson from the artist of the label you CAN't press or duplicate others muisc to a record, the compnay won't permitt it,it's called bootleggin.
not sure how things have changed in the last few yrs but ,i would imagine it has gotten stricter. plus theres not alot of record engineers around anymore.

what NYm posted up that serato thats the way to go now adays but thats more money to spend and more gear...that could be a good thing?

check the top link of this page http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VinylRecordAddicts/links
there's some info there you can check out.

inless you dj i really don't see the point to it but hey more power to you ,
hope you can figure this out and get what your after.

that 40yr comment is uncalled for.

The carvery cuts vinyl lasts as long as regular vinyl, the digital method replaces the traditional (expensive) metal master plate method. Dub plates aren't good for scratching,and if you want to press up 500 it needs to be something worth buying! I realise now marz wants it more for sonic texture than scratching.Would i do that? No i wouldnt, but its up to the person, people can decide for themselves how they want to work.

In my opinion for scratching with your own loops and samples though its pretty good, serato's really good for testing stuff out but you gain a few milliseconds in timing when its on vinyl.
Whilst working on their second album Portishead did try out recording live instruments, pressing them to dubplates and re-sampling, but they decided it didnt work for them quite how they'd hoped.

mikolo wrote:serato's really good for testing stuff out but you gain a few milliseconds in timing when its on vinyl.

u need the delay to be above 4-5ms before this is noticeable....bands regularly play in time without delay issues and 1ft=1ms, by your reasoning a band could not keep time unless all of them were standing right next to each other.....

^^^
yeah thats true. Im just speaking from subjective experience, I haven't done any scientific experiments on it or anything! certain scratches just feel a little tighter to me on regular vinyl, fast stabs scratches for instance. Its hardly noticeable, maybe a personal "feel" thing or my imagination!

mikolo wrote:^^^
yeah thats true. Im just speaking from subjective experience, I haven't done any scientific experiments on it or anything! certain scratches just feel a little tighter to me on regular vinyl, fast stabs scratches for instance. Its hardly noticeable, maybe a personal "feel" thing or my imagination!

you noticed that on serato? i'm just asking cause i have never touch the thing.
i'm still tryin to see what i would use it for and this would be the only thing.
using it as a tool.

mikolo wrote:^^^
my imagination!

I'd lay 20:1 odds on it being your imagination

Serato's really good, practice yer cuts without knackering original copies of stuff you cant find again is one reason for getting it!
Dont take my word as gospel on this, it might be tighter with a faster computer, and like i say its only certain scratches which involve a lot of precision between fader and record like fast stabs. It could also just be an adjustment thing on my part cause i use vinyl most of the time.(Ive got mixvibes but use serato at a place where i teach djing at).
I saw Rafik (current DMC world champ) do his routine on serato and it sounded reaaally tight. In comparison when I chatted to Woody(a prominent uk turntablist) I remember him saying he prefers vinyl for full on routines, but still cuts using serato for club mixing.

jaem wrote:

mikolo wrote:^^^
my imagination!

I'd lay 20:1 odds on it being your imagination

haha i'll test it out again first before i take the bet.

mikolo wrote:Serato's really good, practice yer cuts without knackering original copies of stuff you cant find again is one reason for getting it!
Dont take my word as gospel on this, it might be tighter with a faster computer, and like i say its only certain scratches which involve a lot of precision between fader and record like fast stabs. It could also just be an adjustment thing on my part cause i use vinyl most of the time.(Ive got mixvibes but use serato at a place where i teach djing at).
I saw Rafik (current DMC world champ) do his routine on serato and it sounded reaaally tight. In comparison when I chatted to Woody(a prominent uk turntablist) I remember him saying he prefers vinyl for full on routines, but still cuts using serato for club mixing.

jaem wrote:

mikolo wrote:^^^
my imagination!

I'd lay 20:1 odds on it being your imagination

haha i'll test it out again first before i take the bet.

hahaha

this is based on an in depth study on how latency affects playback, i co-authored a white paper on the subject a few yrs back, and the amount of latency u are experiencing using serato is completely undetectable

IDK, I agree with Mikolo about the serato timing while executing serious scratches. It may not be latency - but could be from a number of different things - the control records that come with serato are noticably thicker than most hip hop 12"s - this would slow one down and require some getting used to. The type of computer - including os and setup - as well as soundcard would all theoretically affect the timing of the system while it is in use.
Having said all of that - I am extremely impressed with serato overall - for the most part - it acts just like vinyl...

this is based on an in depth study on how latency affects playback, i co-authored a white paper on the subject a few yrs back

Sounds interesting . I read on the scratch live site that somebody tested the latency to 8ms which at the time was superior to other similar systems.

I cant mess with Serato til the end of the week now,so i say ill say this and allow myself the luxury of changing my mind if im wrong!.. I think id describe what ive experienced as a "co-ordination latency" not really audible but enough to mess with ingrained muscle timings when your really pushing it, at which point the "latency" becomes audible. Probably something that you can adjust too, like you would adjust to a new fader or a guitarist would adjust to a different guitar.

I am extremely impressed with serato overall

definitely! dont let my off topic ramblings put anyone off from getting serato it gets the seal of approval.

buddy maxwell wrote:IDK, I agree with Mikolo about the serato timing while executing serious scratches. It may not be latency - but could be from a number of different things - the control records that come with serato are noticably thicker than most hip hop 12"s - this would slow one down and require some getting used to. The type of computer - including os and setup - as well as soundcard would all theoretically affect the timing of the system while it is in use.
Having said all of that - I am extremely impressed with serato overall - for the most part - it acts just like vinyl...

i nevr messed with serato , but i have spun with others using it and it hookerd up to the mixer i'm mixing with and you can deff tell a noticable diffence, the sound it sounds waydigital and thick like on purpose, and then when i wasnt even using it but playing my set i had to speed up the picth to +4 to make it sound normal like it's on green.

but as far as battling i don't think it should be used.
it's not the same cause a real vinyl dj has to take the record off the plater, a serato dj uses the same record and never has to remove the vinyl i don't see the skill involed there

there's something there, but yeah i give it the it's easy to make your own struff and play it out .

It doesnt matter if a dj uses serato or not, its about what you do on the wheels not what u put on em. At the end of the day its your hands doing the work not the computer.

Also just a question but i thought under 20ms of latency is unnoticeable by the brain.

StonesThrow wrote:It doesnt matter if a dj uses serato or not, its about what you do on the wheels not what u put on em. At the end of the day its your hands doing the work not the computer.

Also just a question but i thought under 20ms of latency is unnoticeable by the brain.

HAHAHA it's your hands huh?not taking the record of the plater it not working with your hands ,you have to dig through a load of files to get the next track,
sure the basic's apply but there's more work involed in clicking on tracks then pullin out the track your goin to thro on next...serato was made for the lazy dj that didnt want to carry there gear around anymore.

i remeber in 2000 when i went to a dj convention thats all they would complain about carrying gear, thats justthe physical part of being a dj.

dj e.d.e wrote:

buddy maxwell wrote:IDK, I agree with Mikolo about the serato timing while executing serious scratches. It may not be latency - but could be from a number of different things - the control records that come with serato are noticably thicker than most hip hop 12"s - this would slow one down and require some getting used to. The type of computer - including os and setup - as well as soundcard would all theoretically affect the timing of the system while it is in use.
Having said all of that - I am extremely impressed with serato overall - for the most part - it acts just like vinyl...

i nevr messed with serato , but i have spun with others using it and it hookerd up to the mixer i'm mixing with and you can deff tell a noticable diffence, the sound it sounds waydigital and thick like on purpose, and then when i wasnt even using it but playing my set i had to speed up the picth to +4 to make it sound normal like it's on green.

but as far as battling i don't think it should be used.
it's not the same cause a real vinyl dj has to take the record off the plater, a serato dj uses the same record and never has to remove the vinyl i don't see the skill involed there

there's something there, but yeah i give it the it's easy to make your own struff and play it out .

The sound of serato will be affected by the mp3's and their bitrate - like if your spinning a 128 mp3, it WILL sound muddier and not as crisp as a 328 or whatever - a higher bit rate will sound more like a record. The source of the mp3 will also affect the sound - if it was riped from vinyl, it will sound more like vinyl, rather than a mp3 ripped from a cd. Our ears will be able to detect subtle things like static, pops and clicks, and I would argue even the subtle qualitative difference between the vinyl and digital mediums. As for the pitch issue, I have never had that problem. When I first got serato, I put one copy of an mp3 (I think it happened to be Kev Brown's work in progress) on one deck, and a vinyl 12" copy on the other to compare - While the sound was almost identical - the vinyl was slightly "crisper" - I attribute this to the 128bitrate of the mp3 - vs the continous analogue sound from the vinyl.

As for "cheating", I hear you ede, how someone can get serato and d/l a collection of lp's in 2 weeks - but the dj'ing still takes skill - needles can still skip, beatmatching is still a required - knowing how to build a set in terms of flow and energy - matching keys of songs - scratching - are all skills that are required to make a dope dj - regardless of whether or not they are using serato...Serato doesn't make bad dj's good, it just gives good dj's another tool...
(and this rant is coming from a hardware enthusiast that has been buying hip hop on wax since 1988...)

dj e.d.e wrote:..serato was made for the lazy dj that didnt want to carry there gear around anymore.

its more than that....it allows u to remix your own beats and tracks on the fly

without it my group's stage show wouldnt be half of what it is...i can cut movie samples, vocals i recorded, my own beats

as for DJs being lazy? come on man, u ever do a tour? what happens when the airlines loses a crate or 5 of records u CANT replace?

now u have a backup......i been doing this 15yrs+, aint nothing wrong with innovation....the founders were INNOVATORS!!!!!!

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